115 gr Gold Dot
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While there are a few exceptions, the 115gr loadings tend to be the worst performing loads for the 9mm. The lighter bullets rely on sheer velocity to perform and many loads break up without penetrating sufficently
(The dpx loads may be the only exception)
The 147 gr and the +p 124 gr loadings give the most consistent performance
I like the ranger T loadings and only use +p in shorter tubes
Once upon a time, bullet technology was such that velocity was everything....not any more
(The dpx loads may be the only exception)
The 147 gr and the +p 124 gr loadings give the most consistent performance
I like the ranger T loadings and only use +p in shorter tubes
Once upon a time, bullet technology was such that velocity was everything....not any more
DPX are loaded with the Barnes XPB, and yes they are the exception. I have been loading Barnes XPB's for my carry ammo and will rely on nothing less. As far as 9mm goes, I believe that 115gr. is the only weight in that caliber from Barnes.
John Farnam often reports on ballistic test data for penetration and expansion in ballistic gel, through foreign object materials and into ballistic gel, and materials such as car doors. The solid copper bullets from Barnes, loaded in DPX, consistantly out perform all other rounds being tested.
Most bullets tested tend to "plug" the hollow point with the foreign object materials (denim, leather, etc.- chances are you probably won't be shooting at a naked VCA) and fail to completely expand upon entering the ballistic gelatin. Some never expand at all. Barnes chew through the materials and expand consistantly regardless. Another good performer is the Cor-Bon Pow'r Ball (it has a round plastic ball that fits into the tip that aids in penetration and expansion after entry).
Also, Barnes XPB/Cor-Bon DPX are some of the very few that will actually penetrate completely through a car door; at least in comparitive testing conditions.
John Farnam often reports on ballistic test data for penetration and expansion in ballistic gel, through foreign object materials and into ballistic gel, and materials such as car doors. The solid copper bullets from Barnes, loaded in DPX, consistantly out perform all other rounds being tested.
Most bullets tested tend to "plug" the hollow point with the foreign object materials (denim, leather, etc.- chances are you probably won't be shooting at a naked VCA) and fail to completely expand upon entering the ballistic gelatin. Some never expand at all. Barnes chew through the materials and expand consistantly regardless. Another good performer is the Cor-Bon Pow'r Ball (it has a round plastic ball that fits into the tip that aids in penetration and expansion after entry).
Also, Barnes XPB/Cor-Bon DPX are some of the very few that will actually penetrate completely through a car door; at least in comparitive testing conditions.
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That would be because the 115 gr Gold Dot performs poorly while the 124 gr and 147 gr work well.
9mm 115 gr +P JHP Gold Dot
BG: vel=1339, pen=16.7, RD=0.55, RL=0.33, RW=115.0
Den; vel=1346, pen=20+, RD=0.35, RL=0.53, RW=114.8
9 mm 124 gr +P JHP Gold Dot
Bare Gelatin: vel=1225, pen=12.0, RD=0.67, RL=0.30, RW=124.2
4 layers of Denim: vel=1239, pen=13.0, RD=0.54, RL=0.39, RW=124.5
9mm 115 gr +P JHP Gold Dot
BG: vel=1339, pen=16.7, RD=0.55, RL=0.33, RW=115.0
Den; vel=1346, pen=20+, RD=0.35, RL=0.53, RW=114.8
9 mm 124 gr +P JHP Gold Dot
Bare Gelatin: vel=1225, pen=12.0, RD=0.67, RL=0.30, RW=124.2
4 layers of Denim: vel=1239, pen=13.0, RD=0.54, RL=0.39, RW=124.5
DocGKR said:That would be because the 115 gr Gold Dot performs poorly while the 124 gr and 147 gr work well.
9mm 115 gr +P JHP Gold Dot
BG: vel=1339, pen=16.7, RD=0.55, RL=0.33, RW=115.0
Den; vel=1346, pen=20+, RD=0.35, RL=0.53, RW=114.8
9 mm 124 gr +P JHP Gold Dot
Bare Gelatin: vel=1225, pen=12.0, RD=0.67, RL=0.30, RW=124.2
4 layers of Denim: vel=1239, pen=13.0, RD=0.54, RL=0.39, RW=124.5
Thanks for the info. Im looking for a round to use in my Kahr MK9 or XD9sc, both have 3 inch barrels. Id like to stay away from +p rounds because of the Kahrs small grip. I have bigish hands and hot loads are kinda hard to control in the Kahr. Do you think the standard 124gr or 147gr Gold Dots would expand with the velocities out of the 3 inch barrels?
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If you look at the link I posted above, you will see a few loads out of a PM9.
If you don't want a +P load, the Ranger T 147 performed very well.
If you don't want a +P load, the Ranger T 147 performed very well.
Yes I saw your link, you wouldnt have shot the 147gr Gold Dot through the Kahr PM9 did you? I know the T-series are some of the best performing rounds out there but Id really like to stick with rounds that I can get at the local gun shop if the need should arise.
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I tried a box of the 127gr +p+ Ranger T-series through my Kahr MK9 and all I can say is ourch, I had a huge bruse in the palm of my right hand the next mourning. Recoil wise how would the Gold Dot 124gr +p compare to the 127gr Ranger round. With the bruse that the Rangers put on my hand and the fact that the slide on my Kahr cracked soon after, I dont want to punish neither me or my pistol anymore then need be.
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The Gold Dot 124 +p is not as punishing as the Ranger 127 +P+.
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If I were going to carry a 147gr. load, it would be the Ranger T.
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My preferred carry load for 9mm is the 147gr Winchester Ranger. I expect that load, among the other 9mm loads that Doc recommends, will be fine in a 3" barrel. 9mm loads are designed around 4" barrels, so shooting 9mm through a 3" barrel is not like shooting a .45 in a 3" barrel where velocity loss is more significant.BKVic said:Thanks for the info. Im looking for a round to use in my Kahr MK9 or XD9sc, both have 3 inch barrels. Id like to stay away from +p rounds...Do you think the standard 124gr or 147gr Gold Dots would expand with the velocities out of the 3 inch barrels?
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Standard pressure works fine (note that most of our testing is with 4" barrels):
9 mm 124 gr JHP Gold Dot
Bare Gelatin--vel=1144, pen=13.0, RD=0.62, RL=0.32, RW=125.5
4 layers of Denim-- vel=1153, pen=16.6, RD=0.51, RL=0.43, RW=125.2
9 mm 124 gr JHP Gold Dot
Bare Gelatin--vel=1144, pen=13.0, RD=0.62, RL=0.32, RW=125.5
4 layers of Denim-- vel=1153, pen=16.6, RD=0.51, RL=0.43, RW=125.2
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Info from Speer, through denim:
115 +P+ GD 15.9/.53 (G17)
124 +P GD 15.9/.56 (G17)
147 GD 16.9/.54 (P226)
115 +P+ GD 15.9/.53 (G17)
124 +P GD 15.9/.56 (G17)
147 GD 16.9/.54 (P226)
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