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just thinking, i have an mp9 and i wanted a 40 to go with it, but then i saw the 45 is coming out already. what do you guys think i should do? the ideal thing would be to have all 3 but i hardly think that will happen. maybe i could trade my 9 in for the 40 and get a 45, or would that be dumb as the 9 and 40 are basically the same in terms of what im doing with it(99% target and recreation, 1% just in case self defense-no cwp) also to add to it, i want the 45 in dark earth, so the wait would be even longer. let me know what you guys think. thanks
 

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just thinking, i have an mp9 and i wanted a 40 to go with it, but then i saw the 45 is coming out already. what do you guys think i should do? the ideal thing would be to have all 3 but i hardly think that will happen. maybe i could trade my 9 in for the 40 and get a 45, or would that be dumb as the 9 and 40 are basically the same in terms of what im doing with it(99% target and recreation, 1% just in case self defense-no cwp) also to add to it, i want the 45 in dark earth, so the wait would be even longer. let me know what you guys think. thanks


considering that you can buy 9mm ammo that does the same thing as a .40 (and feels the same to shoot)...i'd get a .45 which will have a different feel to it, and give you a different grin when you shoot it.
 

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I agree that if you are primarily looking for target, stick with the 9 for ammo pricing. As far as 40 or 45, I'd definitely go with the 45.
 

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skar said:
Only one gun =.40 But two M&P I would go 9mm and .45


I concur



You will lose out cash trading calibers for not much difference in the gun. 9mm is a great target and self defense gun and the 45 is just great
 

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I'm in the opposite boat then you ..... I have a .40 and was wondering what to get next. Was thinking 9mm but everyone says that there really isn't a point since there isn't much of a differance. So my next pistol will be the .45 and I would have to say keep your 9mm and go .45 as well.
 

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Get the 45...

I have a full sized MP40 and a 9mm compact and will have a MP 45 in D.E.B when possible. 45 ammo is pretty expensive (I don't reload-yet). One of each is best, but a 9mm and a 45 caliber would be a good balance of inexpensive and expensive range fun. I'd get the 45. 8)
 

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I will second this!!! Ohhhhhh the .45.....Yummy!!!!!




considering that you can buy 9mm ammo that does the same thing as a .40 (and feels the same to shoot)...i'd get a .45 which will have a different feel to it, and give you a different grin when you shoot it.[/quote]
 

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OK, my biased opinion:



the .45 ACP cartridge was invented IN and FOR the 1911!!!!!!!!! (there have been no advances in handgun technology since 1911) if you want a .45.... get a (you guessed it) 1911 !!!!



9mm is OK for Glocks if you don't have a Luger, Browning High Power or Beretta M9 to put it in.



.40 S&W is THE caliber for the tupperware generation
ESPECIALLY a S&W (Short & Weak?)



Poole



(of course the opinion will change the minute I get a tupperware .45)
 

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My $.03



The .40 really does nothing the 9MM doesn't



With good ammo they are both effective, but the difference is too close to call



The advantage of the .45 (slight though it may be) is that for those times when expansion does not occur...you have the biggest slug possible



With some notable exceptions, all my handguns are 9mm and .45



I don't need (or more importantly want) another caliber
 

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Obiwan said:
My $.03



The .40 really does nothing the 9MM doesn't



With good ammo they are both effective, but the difference is too close to call


Makes you wonder why FBI and other LE agencies go for the 40 more now a days... and the 9mm is left for the Military... :?:
 

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I would not trade my 9mm M&P as you will probaby not get much as it is used and the dealer does not know the history of the gun. The dealer usually will buy used gun at a extremely low price. I saw a new M&P 45 for $499 on gunbroker! That is not a hell of a lot of money to save up. I would keep the 9mm and buy the 45 when I had the funds. As far as caliber goes, 9mm/40/45, they all will do the job if the shots are place correctly.





The 9mm will save you money when you do the math on ammo prices. That said, I shoot a .40 but I reload everything except 9mm as the ammo was so cheap in the past. I stocked up when it was $3.87 a 50 round box.
 

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well thanks everyone for the responses. i did end up getting the 40(and still have and LOVE TO DEATH my 9). i decided to trade/sell the 40 towards an evil black rifel(probably not the MP because Stag makes them, or did, and there much cheaper-so same gun, different name=cheaper AR) so now any opinions on the STAG rifles are more then welcome as is moving this thread to the proper place. thanks again for the responses.



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:idea: Just on a whim guys, just like you can get ammo for a 9mm to closely match the shot of a .40, can you get .40 cal ammo to "somewhat" achieve the strength of a .45? The reason for asking is because after reading how a 9 can match the power of a .40, I feel kind of dumb getting the 40 over the nine just because I thought bullet weight was better! :roll: Why the hell do they even sell 40s if you could just get a 9. I mean there has got to be a greater advantage or else they would not have the 40! If you compare a 9 with p+ ammo to a 40 with p+ ammo, which one would be deadlier?
 

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Sooner or later, someone will offer an aftermarket 357SIG barrel to drop in your .40.

Can’t do that with a 9mm
 

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All these posts indicating there is no difference between 9MM and .40 S&W are obviously written by people that have not used both. One simple test will show the difference. Line up 4 or 5 1 gal. milk bottles filled with water. The .40 S&W slug (Win Ranger) will end up in the fourth bottle when fired from 5 ft. The 9MM will be lucky to get out of the first bottle. You will also find the .40 Expands to a significantly larger size.



The 9 is certainly cheaper to shoot and the .40 will hit every bit as hard as a .45
 

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TOF said:
All these posts indicating there is no difference between 9MM and .40 S&W are obviously written by people that have not used both. One simple test will show the difference. Line up 4 or 5 1 gal. milk bottles filled with water. The .40 S&W slug (Win Ranger) will end up in the fourth bottle when fired from 5 ft. The 9MM will be lucky to get out of the first bottle. You will also find the .40 Expands to a significantly larger size.



The 9 is certainly cheaper to shoot and the .40 will hit every bit as hard as a .45


I have tested about 20 different 9mm loads with milk jugs. And I have tested about 10 different .40 loads with milk jugs. I usually set up 15 jugs at a time. 3 wide by 5 deep. Then shoot down the middle row.



12 of the 20 9mm loads ended up in the 3rd jug.

8 of the 20 9mm loads ended up in the 4th jug.



3 of the 10 .40 loads ended up in the 3rd jug.

7 of the 10 .40 loads ended up in the 4th jug.



What 9mm load did you test that didn't make it out of the 1st jug??? What gun was it shot from???



I did not find the .40 to expand "significantly" larger than 9mm. I would say on average the .40 loads that I tested expanded to about 0.090" more than the 9mm loads.



I have since found a much better testing medium-wetpack. And my results with the wetpack reflect my results with water jugs.



This being said, I think the .40 does have a slight edge over 9mm regarding terminal ballistics.

But I don't feel undergunned at all with my little 9mm pistols!



Here are a couple links to my recent wetpack tests:

http://mp-pistol.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=3824

http://mp-pistol.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=4142
 

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chocoboy said:
[quote name='Obiwan']My $.03



The .40 really does nothing the 9MM doesn't



With good ammo they are both effective, but the difference is too close to call


Makes you wonder why FBI and other LE agencies go for the 40 more now a days... and the 9mm is left for the Military... :?:[/quote]



LE believes that the .40 has better "one shot" stopping power (if there is such a phrase) than the 9. If you have to use your service weapon it is VERY likely that it will be against only one or at most two assailants. In that case, you likely will not need as many rounds to stop the threat. The .45 may be too much of a gun for some officers (and not just women. I've seen a limp-wristed ranger almost have a .45 fall out of his hands). The military retains the 9 (for those who don't have a 1911) essentially for the reason that it is possible that they could encounter multiple assailants at the same time and they will need the extra rounds available to them if they need it. At least that's the concept.
 
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