I currently have a full size 9mm and I love it. I am now looking to purchase a gun chambered in .45acp and was wondering if I should wait for the M&P or buy a 1911 style. I have shot my friends Kimber and its a great gun but that is my only experience with a .45. Any insight I could get would be great, thank you all for your time.
.45ACP Need help!
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If you love your M&P 9mm, I would wait and get the M&P .45.
Hmmmmmm, that's an odd question seeing your in an M&P forum...
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Too get a truly combat worthy durable and reliable 1911 is going to take the efforts of a good pistolsmith who fullly understands real-world 1911's; this is going to take time, as most have a long waiting list; in addition it is going to cost a fair amount of money--something around $1500 to $2500 above and beyond the cost of the basic pistol. For that, you will get an unparalleled combat pistol that will work for many years.
Conversely, you can get a M&P--it won't be quite as accurate or "shootable", but it is cheaper and does not require handfitting of parts.
Conversely, you can get a M&P--it won't be quite as accurate or "shootable", but it is cheaper and does not require handfitting of parts.
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I have to disagree a little bit with Doc. I think a loaded Springer or other comparable 1911 is VERY worth the money (and costs way less than 1k btw). I have heard mixed reviews on the Kimbers actually. Everyone should have a 1911 and they are very worthy weapons as long as you don't spend most of your time crawling in the sand and what not. I don't think even 1500-2500 dollars would get you a 1911 that is as tough as a Glock or M&P (I still want to see torture tests on the M&P). It's a different ballgame entirely.
This is also coming from someone that just sold a loaded SA 9mm 1911 to buy a MP9c... 8)
I would wonder about the grip of the MP45 vs. a single stack 1911. Nothing is more comfortable in my hand than a single stack 1911. Double stack 45's are too big for me.
To each his own but I can say that I trusted my 1911 ($700 used) as much as I trust my M&P so far! That may change over the next few thousand rounds but that is how I feel now. And my groups at 15yards looked better than my 7 yard groups with the M&P.
I say get the 1911 since you already have a M&P, then get another M&P, then another 1911.....
When I voted it was 58% for the M&P on a M&P forum....
This is also coming from someone that just sold a loaded SA 9mm 1911 to buy a MP9c... 8)
I would wonder about the grip of the MP45 vs. a single stack 1911. Nothing is more comfortable in my hand than a single stack 1911. Double stack 45's are too big for me.
To each his own but I can say that I trusted my 1911 ($700 used) as much as I trust my M&P so far! That may change over the next few thousand rounds but that is how I feel now. And my groups at 15yards looked better than my 7 yard groups with the M&P.
I say get the 1911 since you already have a M&P, then get another M&P, then another 1911.....
When I voted it was 58% for the M&P on a M&P forum....
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For concealed carry, the 45 compact is just great!
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I disagree with Doc a little bit.
A proper American Made 1911 in full bore (Pun not intended) and correctly handled will just be lethal. However, I dont particularly like the 1911 due to the amount of stuff hanging off the weapon. It is a little bit of a love, hate relationship and one reason why I have not found a proper 1911 yet.
The day that I do... well.. it's going to be a good day yah?
However as I added the laser to the Mp 45 fs plus a Storm Lake Ported barrel and a few other tidbits I feel that the weapon is a valid combat weapon.
One should not carry a mindset to be armed and hunting targets. You should be comfortable with YOUR preferred gun, whatever it may be and proficient with it in a defensive situation.
Let the LEO's be the ones running TO a fight. Not you and me LOL.
A proper American Made 1911 in full bore (Pun not intended) and correctly handled will just be lethal. However, I dont particularly like the 1911 due to the amount of stuff hanging off the weapon. It is a little bit of a love, hate relationship and one reason why I have not found a proper 1911 yet.
The day that I do... well.. it's going to be a good day yah?
However as I added the laser to the Mp 45 fs plus a Storm Lake Ported barrel and a few other tidbits I feel that the weapon is a valid combat weapon.
One should not carry a mindset to be armed and hunting targets. You should be comfortable with YOUR preferred gun, whatever it may be and proficient with it in a defensive situation.
Let the LEO's be the ones running TO a fight. Not you and me LOL.
1911s will always be in the family but I have an M&P mid size 45 that has taken the place of my 1911s that I have been carrying CCW for years. I have a 1911pd Smith and
Wesson Commander with CT that carries great, a Kimber Ultra CDP and a Nighthawk Talon II Commander, all are enjoyable, but the mid size M&P has many good points for me.
Weight, lighter
Magazine Capacity 10 rounds (factory 14 rounders for the house)
Crimson Trace fits and performs well.
Thumb Safety (same as my 1911 and one sided due to CT)
Apex installed that made a huge difference.
Easy to carry CCW in MTAC holster with spare mag on the other hip.
Warren Tactical night sights (one dot front one dot rear)
10-8 magazine base pads for all mags.
Cost, with all that done still cheaper then any of my 1911s.
Recoil - seems like in the S&W has less perceived recoil than my 1911s, allows for quicker follow up shots, for me anyway.
Lifetime Warranty, S&W has great customer service.
Now asked the same question on one of the many 1911 boards and see what answers you get. I posted this same question on another forum in their 1911 area and I was very surprised at how many said M&P mid size 45acp.
I'm the guy always looking for something better and trying everything, my M&P mid size has been in place for sometime with two full size M&P 9mms keeping it company.
Wesson Commander with CT that carries great, a Kimber Ultra CDP and a Nighthawk Talon II Commander, all are enjoyable, but the mid size M&P has many good points for me.
Weight, lighter
Magazine Capacity 10 rounds (factory 14 rounders for the house)
Crimson Trace fits and performs well.
Thumb Safety (same as my 1911 and one sided due to CT)
Apex installed that made a huge difference.
Easy to carry CCW in MTAC holster with spare mag on the other hip.
Warren Tactical night sights (one dot front one dot rear)
10-8 magazine base pads for all mags.
Cost, with all that done still cheaper then any of my 1911s.
Recoil - seems like in the S&W has less perceived recoil than my 1911s, allows for quicker follow up shots, for me anyway.
Lifetime Warranty, S&W has great customer service.
Now asked the same question on one of the many 1911 boards and see what answers you get. I posted this same question on another forum in their 1911 area and I was very surprised at how many said M&P mid size 45acp.
I'm the guy always looking for something better and trying everything, my M&P mid size has been in place for sometime with two full size M&P 9mms keeping it company.
I have both an M&P 45 and a couple of 1911s. Even though you like the M&P, getting a 1911 is something to consider. I think 1911s are inherently more accurate, though they do not have the cool features that the M&P does. I use my 1911 for competitive shooting, and I use my M&P 45 for open carry in the woods (I live in a state with restrictive gun laws so I only carry out of town). Both are excellent guns, but I would rather have one of each than 2 M&Ps.
I also dont mind beating up my M&P. If I am fishing with it on my hip and it gets wet, or scratched up clambering over rocks to get to the next fishing hole I dont mind. It is a tool. My 1911, on the other hand does not get scratched, beat up, or mistreated in any way. It doesnt have a scratch on it.
I also dont mind beating up my M&P. If I am fishing with it on my hip and it gets wet, or scratched up clambering over rocks to get to the next fishing hole I dont mind. It is a tool. My 1911, on the other hand does not get scratched, beat up, or mistreated in any way. It doesnt have a scratch on it.
Go with the M&P .45c if you plan on carrying it. 4.5" fir general work. To get the most out of a basic 1911 you need to have quite a bit of work done to it. Th better ones will still need some work. Don't get me wrong I like my 1911 but I like my M&P's more for sheer out of the box performance.
I would add that the 1911 bug is very bad, you can never just have one.
But in saying that the M&P bug is just as bad but a lot less expensive. What makes matters even worse is the Smith and Wesson $100.00 coupon for military which makes a good deal even better.
But in saying that the M&P bug is just as bad but a lot less expensive. What makes matters even worse is the Smith and Wesson $100.00 coupon for military which makes a good deal even better.
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I chose M&P's but that is me.
My only concern is in regard to Kimber 1911's. A good friend had 4 Kimber 45's all of which developed frame cracks. As I understand it, Kimber fixed 3 but would not do anything about the 4th. These are metal frames and they all cracked in the same way. Kimbers fix was to replace with identicle frames.
Other brand 1911's are a different story.
My only concern is in regard to Kimber 1911's. A good friend had 4 Kimber 45's all of which developed frame cracks. As I understand it, Kimber fixed 3 but would not do anything about the 4th. These are metal frames and they all cracked in the same way. Kimbers fix was to replace with identicle frames.
Other brand 1911's are a different story.
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