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It seems that there are none of these made...just +P for the 124 grain.

Anythoughts on why?



I think I am going to transition to the 147 grain for carry...those Federal HST rounds that are shown in the wetpack test, are pretty awsome looking rounds.
 

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The 147 bullets are really long. When you seat the bullet into the case, it doesn't leave much room for powder. Also, the space left for powder is small; so pressure will build very quickly trying to push that heavy bullet.



There have been some 147 +P loads. In fact, Federal has just came released a new HST load. It is

HST 147 +P. It pushes the bullet about 50 fps faster than the standard 147 load. But it will probably be a while before you will see any. :wink:
 

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Check out Buffalo Bore Bullets. I read a write up on these rounds, they use speer unicore bullets (gold dots) and they load them HOT. But i bet they're not cheap
 

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Not that there is a "best", but does that make the 147 rounds pretty good?



And, what do you guys use?
 

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Sounds like HST rounds are hard to come by...they are not even on the Federal website. Any ideas on where to get them?
 

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I saw HST 124+p listed at miragetechnologies.net... for $18/50rd box !!!!


As far as chicks go, i agree with chooch. For 9mm, i think some of the better +P can give you performance just a little under some of the 357sig loadings. If your gun can handle it (and the m&p can) i tend to think +p is a good idea in 9mm, maybe not always necessary with today's bullets, but if i can push a 124gr at or close to 1300fps then that's close enough to the old 357mag 125jhp for me.

I certainly don't feel undergunned, especially with 18 rounds.
 

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I carry the 147gr Ranger-T in my 9mms and the 180gr in my .40s.



FWIW, Doc doesn't like the standard pressure 124gr Gold Dot in 9mm, and doesn't like the 200gr +p Gold Dot in .45, but feels the Gold Dot in .357 SIG is the best round in that caliber. Incidentally, he was unimpressed with the T-Series offering in .357 SIG.



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choochboost said:
I carry the 147gr Ranger-T in my 9mms and the 180gr in my .40s.



FWIW, Doc doesn't like the standard pressure 124gr Gold Dot in 9mm, and doesn't like the 200gr +p Gold Dot in .45, but feels the Gold Dot in .357 SIG is the best round in that caliber. Incidentally, he was unimpressed with the T-Series offering in .357 SIG.


It's worth a lot; you said what I should have said!

Thanks.
 

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We compared the 9 mm Gold Dot 124 gr standard pressure to the 124 gr +P out of a Glock 17:



9 mm 124 gr JHP Gold Dot 53618 (lot# F08H33), gel calib= 9.5 cm @ 605 f/s

Bare Gelatin--vel=1144, pen=13.0, RD=0.62, RL=0.32, RW=125.5

4 layers of Denim-- vel=1153, pen=16.6, RD=0.51, RL=0.43, RW=125.2



9 mm 124 gr +P JHP Gold Dot 53617 (lot# B03J35), gel calib= 9.0 cm @ 596 f/s

Bare Gelatin--vel=1225, pen=12.0, RD=0.67, RL=0.30, RW=124.2

4 layers of Denim--vel=1239, pen=13.0, RD=0.54, RL=0.39, RW=124.5



Both of these loads offer acceptable performance, although the 124 gr +P has a slight edge.
 
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