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The Prez is not going to ban anything, it would be suicide for his party. Stop freaking out and leave me some ammo on the shelves.
 
When I was at Walmart yesterday, I was discussing with the gun counter guy who does all the orders. He said that he was told that most of the Walmarts in the area are going down to only one box per customer. He said he is going to push management at his store to do the same...

Seems he is sick of selling entire orders to first customer who walks in.

I haven't been able to find 223, 9 mm, 40, 45, 22lr or anything at any of the local walmarts for past 2 months... all they got are 12 and 20 guage shells. Glad I hoarded all my stuff 6-12 months ago.
 
That guy sounds like me ... buying out the entire stock of .40 ammo at the local Walmarts and Dick's Sporting Goods, except I can only find about four boxes at a time (except the one time I found five boxes of Winchester Ranger JHP once).
 
Walmart and the sporting goods stores need to slap a 5-10 box limit on sales until the shortage ends.


When did you become a member of the Communist Party?



Free market, baby. Supply is low, demand is high. Those who are willing to pay -- or those who just get lucky -- win. You want 5-10 boxes? I promise that if you go to your local shop and tell them you're willing to pay $1 more per box over their regular price, they'll set some aside for you every time they get a shipment.



Sorry, I just don't need people telling me how much ammo I should be allowed to buy at once. If the government mandated it, you'd be the first to get furious about it ... and rightfully so.
 
When did you become a member of the Communist Party?



Free market, baby. Supply is low, demand is high. Those who are willing to pay -- or those who just get lucky -- win. You want 5-10 boxes? I promise that if you go to your local shop and tell them you're willing to pay $1 more per box over their regular price, they'll set some aside for you every time they get a shipment.



Sorry, I just don't need people telling me how much ammo I should be allowed to buy at once. If the government mandated it, you'd be the first to get furious about it ... and rightfully so.


 
One of our Walmarts in town has began rationing 2 boxes per person per pallet and its total crap. I guess they believe in socialism now too. They said the local dealers were coming in and buying everything up and putting it on thier shelves with a huge markup.
 
One of our Walmarts in town has began rationing 2 boxes per person per pallet and its total crap. I guess they believe in socialism now too. They said the local dealers were coming in and buying everything up and putting it on thier shelves with a huge markup.
Well..... at least you will have a chance to buy 2 boxes. Is that so wrong, or would you prefer to go to your dealer and pay 40% more?



A.T.
 
Well..... at least you will have a chance to buy 2 boxes. Is that so wrong, or would you prefer to go to your dealer and pay 40% more?



A.T.


This is America, get up earlier in the morning than the dealer, buy the crate yourself and sell it to him at a 20% markup!

Around hear we call that Profit!





Too many lazy folks around these days, no one wants a good days work, youd rather stand in your soup line and get your piece of bred and bowl of so called food than get out their and catch your own feast
 
This is America, get up earlier in the morning than the dealer, buy the crate yourself and sell it to him at a 20% markup!

Around hear we call that Profit!



Too many lazy folks around these days, no one wants a good days work, youd rather stand in your soup line and get your piece of bred and bowl of so called food than get out their and catch your own feast


Amen.
 
The Prez is not going to ban anything, it would be suicide for his party. Stop freaking out and leave me some ammo on the shelves.
That hasn't stopped them in the past. There's no proof for or against, so people are erring on the side of caution...or perhaps hysteria.



The NSSF sent this in the newsletter I get:

http://nssf.org/media/FactSheets/Ammunition.cfm
 
This is America, get up earlier in the morning than the dealer, buy the crate yourself and sell it to him at a 20% markup!

Around hear we call that Profit!





Too many lazy folks around these days, no one wants a good days work, youd rather stand in your soup line and get your piece of bred and bowl of so called food than get out their and catch your own feast


Well said! My work takes me all over the Rocky Mountains and I frequent quite a few stores looking for ammo at decent prices. I went to Farmington, NM and found 9, 100rd boxes of WWB in .45 and walked out with the whole lot while a couple locals just stared at me in disbelief, "Why would somebody need that many bullets?!?"
However, I did see quite a few boxes of .40 in Grants, NM on the shelf and left it there for someone else
 
Why is it socialism/communism when the owner of a store decides what, how and when to sell their products. That's a market decision/force, not a government/political force.

If I had a shop, it is my right to make those selling decisions.

Remember the signs you've seen in various shops . . . "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason".

Frankly, my business goes to those who are going to look out for the good of their ENTIRE customer base for the long term, as opposed to some slam-bam-thank-you-mam greedy chump.

So I applaud the sellers, with enough backbone, who are rationing their sales quantities. Keeps more folks happy, supplied and willing to come back.
 
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Why is it socialism/communism when the owner of a store decides what, how and when to sell their products. That's a market decision/force, not a government/political force.

If I had a shop, it is my right to make those selling decisions.

Remember the signs you've seen in various shops . . . "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason".

Frankly, my business goes to those who are going to look out for the good of their ENTIRE customer base for the long term, as opposed to some slam-bam-thank-you-mam greedy chump.

So I applaud the sellers, with enough backbone, who are rationing their sales quantities. Keeps more folks happy, supplied and willing to come back.




Ah finally, someone else who sees the big picture. This whole ammo greed and resulting shortage has made me do something for the first time in my adult life; resent other sportsmen and shooters. That's right. I'm sure the liberal tree huggers are just laughing it up watching all of us turn on each other as we try to hoard ammo from one another. I do indeed resent that guy who took all 15 cases just as much as I resent the local gun shops who jack the price of ammo up just because they can. I saw the same box of blazer brass that sells for $8.97 at wally world being sold at a local fun shop for $29.99. I do resent some people implying on here that my opinion runs parallel to communism and "Franco's Spain." Yes, this is capitalism, yes, this is free markets working as they should, yes, I can sense the invisible hand sweeping across the self defense industry and for what it's worth, I would not change it for any alternative.



What I am saying is that the inconsiderate and panic mentality of shooters over ammo leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. Yes, you have a right to screw someone over in this country and I would never ever imply that you should have that right taken away. What I am saying is that you also have the right to choose whether or not you screw someone over. Personally, having several other people behind me in line for ammo, I don't think I could clear the entire shelf out not because I'm a communist or believe in socialism, but because I have consideration for others who enjoy the same activities and have the same passions as I do. I have the choice to be considerate of whoever I please whereas with socialism I don't get the choice. I'd have to be considerate of EVERYONE, including the freeloader and entitlement crowd.



For those of you hoarding all the ammo, think of the newbie shooter who, more than you, needs to put some quality time in at a range in order to be proficient and comfortable with their new firearm. There exists the possibility that this new shooter, not being able to find enough ammo to practice with, gets into a situation and needs to use his/her firearm to protect themselves. Not getting enough range time in to develop muscle memory or quick presentation and target acquisition skills (because there is no ammo), said newbie fumbles with gun, bad guy grabs it from them, newbie gets assaulted and then RIP. The liberals love hearing this and it gives them another angle to lobby for gun control because "citizens can't and don't know how to properly handle firearms. They do more harm than good as evidenced by said Newbie." In the meantime Joe D-Bag is sitting at home with a safe full of 10,000 rounds.



I just think that, in light of the huge amount of new gun owners, this is a great opportunity for the industry and its participants to shape how it is involved with the masses. We need to take care of our own, hence the NRA, GOA, etc. How'd you like it if the top brass at NRA said they will fight and lobby only for the gun rights of those who can pay $100,000 annually or perhaps the first 50,000 people to email them. Screw the rest. It's America, it's free markets, they can hypothetically do that. With enough power and money you could include and exclude any demographic you wanted in legislation. Just because the NRA is fighting for the collective, yes, I used the word collective, population of gunowners, would those of you who rail against box limits at walmart say that the NRA is socialistic or communist?!?!?!



This is the big picture that I wish more gun owners would see right now. When things settle down, there are a handful of establishments, both gun shops and ranges that I will no longer give my business to because they fail to see the big picture. Sure, they might have been able to squeeze an extra $10 a box from me when they shouldn't, but they will lose out on thousands of dollars in the future when I decide to purchase more firearms elsewhere, refer friends and family to someone else's CCW and safety courses, and refer shoppers to other locations to purchase shooting goods. Take my sentiment and multiply it by however many others see themselves getting screwed over and you've got a pretty large sum of lost revenue.



I will however continue to give my business to the store I visited today that was fortunate to find and purchase a LARGE amount of Speer Gold Dot HP rounds. Instead of jacking up the price, they were offering the savings to the customers of < $0.85 (the equivalent of like $16.50 for a standard box of 20 rounds) a round. So I picked up 50 rounds for about $42. Delighted, I also picked up some hoppes #9, some snap caps for the girlfriend to practice with loading mags, racking the slide, and also smoothing out the trigger, and some other things I needed for a total of around $95-$100. If I wanted just the equivalent rounds at the other place that is screwing everyone, for 50 rounds of gold dot, selling at $34 for a box of 20, I would have had to pay $85. So in the end, not only did I feel like I found a shop that really cares for its customers in this hard to find ammo time and will return for future purchases big and small, but I also ended up buying more/spending more there compared to the other place that thought it would make more money off of me by jacking up ammo! And to boot I probably won't go to that particular establishment ever again.



THAT, my friends, is capitalism. Now leave me some gosh darn ammo on the shelf!....and I'll do the same for you.
 
Rationing has its place in any market, especially a dysfunctional one like the current ammo market, and it is not un-American. Rationing of food and other items helped get this country through World War II.



But I guess this is the "Me" generation. We're not concerned with our fellow Americans anymore.
 
On any given Sunday over the past several decades, the various store ad inserts in just about any newspaper carried the phrase "limit XX per customer" adjacent to a photo of the item for sale.

Funny how I never heard any outrage over those rationing practices . . .
 
Why is it socialism/communism when the owner of a store decides what, how and when to sell their products. That's a market decision/force, not a government/political force.

If I had a shop, it is my right to make those selling decisions.


You can do whatever you want with your business. But getting upset because other businesses aren't rationing their wares "for the good of the community" is not the same thing.



So I applaud the sellers, with enough backbone, who are rationing their sales quantities. Keeps more folks happy, supplied and willing to come back.


If they believe it's what's best for them financially in the long run, it's not backbone, it's business sense.
 
You can do whatever you want with your business. But getting upset because other businesses aren't rationing their wares "for the good of the community" is not the same thing.





If they believe it's what's best for them financially in the long run, it's not backbone, it's business sense.


I'm not upset. Never said I was.

And I refered to "the good of the ENTIRE customer base", not "for the good of the community". It's not the same thing.



It's backbone and business sense. When any proprietor stands up to customer(s) claiming an entitlement to buy all of their stock of anything for any reason, saying "no" takes some spine when money is waved in their face.



And whether anyone agrees with sales rations or not, it doesn't make them members of the communist party either way.
 
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