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I want to purchase a 1911 .45 Cal. for the purpose of keeping as my collectors piece. One that I can shoot maybe a few times a year, but not even a quarter as much as my M&P. Which manufacturer holds the award for the best 1911? What model 1911 would you buy? Thanks!
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Taurus

One of the guys I shoot with bought and got rid of a Taurus. Said the quality was not acceptable-especially inner parts. I know he had some feeding issues, that was the beginning of the end for him on that, don't know what the last straw was. Any company can put out a lemon sometimes, but I personally would put the same money toward a Springfield.
Happy i decided against the Taurus and went with the SA, it has been an awesome and accurate 45!!!
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ED BROWN & HIS KOBRA CARRY is what I'm saving up for. If I have to run around picking up cans

just to own a 1911 by ED BROWN well then I'm game. Hell I'm only a $1000 short of my goal
Very nice!!!



AHSIG said:
ED BROWN & HIS KOBRA CARRY is what I'm saving up for. If I have to run around picking up cans

just to own a 1911 by ED BROWN well then I'm game. Hell I'm only a $1000 short of my goal
What are some thoughts on a 9MM 1911? I saw one offered through Springfield. This thing looked NICE!



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LockNLoad said:
What are some thoughts on a 9MM 1911? I saw one offered through Springfield. This thing looked NICE!





Shot that exact Springfield in .45 and loved it. You can get a parkerized version and refinish it with your favorite flavor for less than most top shelf 1911's and still have one heck of a 1911. I'd love to have one but I just can't decide which one and how much I want to sink into another pistol. I've scrapped the Budget 1911 and have narrowed it down to the SA Loaded, Kimber Stainless II, or the S&W 1911. The SA cons are price and that stupid lock. The Kimber loses points in their rumored lack of customer service and "one off" rear sight dovetail. The S&W has the external extractor which, to S&W's credit, is better than any other EE but is an EE nonetheless, and another stupid lock. Ultimately, I hope to get a SA TRP, Kimber TLE, or S&W Performance Center but those are way off. So many choices, so few dollars...



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Nice challenge PPCMaster!!!
I would love to see an original, cant get enough of them, I have maybe 200 pics of 1911's and the originals are just awesome!



Post em up fellas!! :twisted:



PPCmaster said:
anyone with an original colt 1911?
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Pics of my SA Mil-SPec with some work done











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What a beuty!!! :wink:



NCPatrolAR said:
Pics of my SA Mil-SPec with some work done











Got the OK from the wife for the TRP and they've got it on hold for me! Black Armory Kote with NS, as new stock in the box for a STEAL. I'm gonna have a 1911!!!
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Congrats!!!! Lucky dog you................ :twisted:



CBRADGO said:
Got the OK from the wife for the TRP and they've got it on hold for me! Black Armory Kote with NS, as new stock in the box for a STEAL. I'm gonna have a 1911!!!
S&W 1911's

Dan Burwell said:
[quote name='jdh']Since this is a Smith And Wesson forum how can you guys not reccomend the SW1911? Paid about $800 for it and it is a much better gun than the Kimber a friend owns.


Sorry Smith,

I can tell you the biggest reason why I don't like them....

NON-Standard parts.



They use a goofy rear sight cut so you cannot replace it with anything. although I hear Heinie has one out but from what I understand there is still a gap under the sight even with his sight.



and the beavertail is a smaller radius than anyother on the market so if the fit isn't as nice as you like it there really is no way to fix it.



Other than that the Smith 1911's seem to be solid guns, just don't expect to be able to change much on it.[/quote]



Dan,

There are at least three S&W 1911 models with 'accepts after-market accessories and parts' on their website. These include: sku 108296 SW1911PD (compact, lightweight) w Crimson Trace laser grips; sku 108295 SW1911 (full size and weight) w Crimson Trace laser grips.

Do these have the same limitations re changes that you list above? I'm leaning toward them due to

price ($1000 new, including the CT grips), 8+1 round, lifetime warranty, and S&W loyalty preference. However, the overwhelming positive reviews of SA's, and mention of grip/firing pin safety issues of the S&W are reason to reconsider.
Dan Burwell said:
[quote name='jdh']Since this is a Smith And Wesson forum how can you guys not reccomend the SW1911? Paid about $800 for it and it is a much better gun than the Kimber a friend owns.


Sorry Smith,

I can tell you the biggest reason why I don't like them....

NON-Standard parts.



They use a goofy rear sight cut so you cannot replace it with anything. although I hear Heinie has one out but from what I understand there is still a gap under the sight even with his sight.



and the beavertail is a smaller radius than anyother on the market so if the fit isn't as nice as you like it there really is no way to fix it.



Other than that the Smith 1911's seem to be solid guns, just don't expect to be able to change much on it.[/quote]



The rear beavertail on the SW1911 has the exact same dimensions as a wilson beavertail. The frame tangs have the exact same compound radius as the wilson. There is a difference with the internal tab that contacts the sear spring, but any good smith can make it work.



The SW1911 uses the exact same cut on the rear sight as the SW 3rd gen autos. My heinie sight has no gap. And the models with adjustable sights look to be Bomar cuts.



Lots of stuff to do with sw1911's.
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I called and spoke with S&W's customer service and they swear that there are no locks on the 1911s. I don't pick mine up until February 1st so I can't verify it for you. Just two $600 layaway payments to go and it's mine.



I'm still waiting to hear one documented issue with S&W's Swartz safety. I'm open minded but mostly what I read is that Colt couldn't make it work in 1930 so it's hopeless. Personally I think that technology and engineering and computer modeling has advanced just a tad in 76 years and I'm not worried about it. I'll take the S&W trigger over the stock Springer trigger any day. Of course the Springer's trigger can be fixed but only by defeating their firing pin safety scheme.



It's the same with the external extractor. Purists complain but John Browning abandoned the internal extractor on his later designs. Browning Hi-Powers have been working dead reliably for how many decades with an external extractor? With how many armies?



I own one older Springer and it's a fine pistol. If I were shopping for a sub-$1k 1911 the Springfield Loaded would be my second choice, right behind S&W. I've really been impressed with the fit and finish, the handling qualities and the very impressive trigger. Handling differences in various brands of 1911s are subtle but there if you spend time comparing side by side. A 1911 is a life time investment that you'll leave to your kids so take your time choosing.



BTW, Kimber would not even be in the running right now. Take a look on 1911forums. There are two busy 'how often does it malfunction' threads in the Kimber forum and the numbers aren't pretty. Others posting how happy they are that they have 95% reliability and are silly enough to think 95% is good for a 1911. Serious kool-aid guzzling. I have a 1st generation Ultra Carry and it's a damn fine little pistol but I won't buy another Kimber until they get their act together again.



http://www.1911forum.com/forums/poll.php?d...&pollid=829

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186394



While you're on the 1911 forums peek at the Springer forum. It's pretty slow. Very few issues posted. And the S&W thread is pretty much dead with the exception of the occasional "Wow!"

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product...oducts_id/26335



If I had one quibble it would be with the availability of after market sights. And that may be because I haven't spent any time researching them yet. My Performance Center will keep the stock adjustable sights. But When I buy a production SW1911 I'll want to swap in Trijicons and I just don't like how their model for the SW1911 looks. I keep night sights on all of my SD/HD pistols.
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You raise some good points of debate in your post; heres my take on it.



sholling said:
I called and spoke with S&W's customer service and they swear that there are no locks on the 1911s. I don't pick mine up until February 1st so I can't verify it for you. Just two $600 layaway payments to go and it's mine.



I will swear it for you; no lock on the sw1911



I'm still waiting to hear one documented issue with S&W's Swartz safety. I'm open minded but mostly what I read is that Colt couldn't make it work in 1930 so it's hopeless. Personally I think that technology and engineering and computer modeling has advanced just a tad in 76 years and I'm not worried about it. I'll take the S&W trigger over the stock Springer trigger any day.



Kimber and S&W use the swartz safety; it been dead nuts reliable for me, and theres so many out there that are running fine, that I think its a non-issue. The Swartz benefit over the series 80 safeties (which I dont mind either) are that it actuates on the grip safety, so it doesnt affect trigger pull.



Of course the Springer's trigger can be fixed but only by defeating their firing pin safety scheme.



SA doesnt use any type of firing pin safety, they have a goofy MSH lock thats easily swapped to mil-spec condition.




It's the same with the external extractor. Purists complain but John Browning abandoned the internal extractor on his later designs. Browning Hi-Powers have been working dead reliably for how many decades with an external extractor? With how many armies?



Dont for get all of the S&W autos that have been out there for the last 25 years. S&W knows external extractors.



I own one older Springer and it's a fine pistol. If I were shopping for a sub-$1k 1911 the Springfield Loaded would be my second choice, right behind S&W. I've really been impressed with the fit and finish, the handling qualities and the very impressive trigger. Handling differences in various brands of 1911s are subtle but there if you spend time comparing side by side. A 1911 is a life time investment that you'll leave to your kids so take your time choosing.



I think that production line 1911 triggers are a crapshoot; some come out good, some crappy.

10min with a stone would make nearly any factory 1911 trigger feel almost custom quality. I just did one on a sw1911 that was absolutely horrid;..8 pounds and gritty. It was brand new.




BTW, Kimber would not even be in the running right now. Take a look on 1911forums. There are two busy 'how often does it malfunction' threads in the Kimber forum and the numbers aren't pretty. Others posting how happy they are that they have 95% reliability and are silly enough to think 95% is good for a 1911. Serious kool-aid guzzling. I have a 1st generation Ultra Carry and it's a damn fine little pistol but I won't buy another Kimber until they get their act together again.



http://www.1911forum.com/forums/poll.php?d...&pollid=829

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186394



While you're on the 1911 forums peek at the Springer forum. It's pretty slow. Very few issues posted. And the S&W thread is pretty much dead with the exception of the occasional "Wow!"

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product...oducts_id/26335



If I had one quibble it would be with the availability of after market sights. And that may be because I haven't spent any time researching them yet. My Performance Center will keep the stock adjustable sights. But When I buy a production SW1911 I'll want to swap in Trijicons and I just don't like how their model for the SW1911 looks. I keep night sights on all of my SD/HD pistols.
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If you really like your 1911's take it up a notch.



Wilson , les baer, and some others still make to spec.



Springfield uses a titanium firing pin to get past the cali specs along with a lockable MSH



External extractors only really work when you lower the ejection port lower to allow the exiting shell to lock into the extractor on the downward motion. Hilton speaks of this largely at 10-8 that almost all that try locate it to high to function on the last round in a mag. S&W seem to have it pretty good though.



I do like the lower end loaded models, and some others, but I've seen the top of the heap, and I like them.
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Jester said:
Springfield uses a titanium firing pin to get past the cali specs along with a lockable MSH
A light firing pin combined with a very heavy spring. I researched this a lot when I was looking at TRPs. SA claims a 5-6lb trigger for the loaded and a 4.5-5lb for the TRP. Perfect for a tactical/self defense pistol.



I fondled probably a dozen brand new production S&Ws, a PC1911 and a PC Doug Koenig Professional at various shops before settling on my plain PC1911. I have no doubt that some rough triggers get through on the production versions but none of those that I played with were heavier than a brand new TRP. One brand new production SW1911 had a factory trigger that was a near match for the PC1911 sitting next to it - almost too light for a SD/HD pistol. I guess the lesson is to handle and compare several SW1911s before choosing one to bring home.
anybody tried or seen a dan wesson pointman 7
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