[TxPhantom]

I know you are out there. I own a SW9VE with about 700 or 800 rounds through it with no FTE's or FTF's. Finally getting sorta used to the trigger pull. I use it as a carry weapon sometime and as a car gun quite often. Very dependable, inexpensive and highly underrated IMO.

 

[M&P40Cal23Az]

I own a sigma 40, I have had it for around 2 years, it was my first semi auto pistol, I have had no problems at all and I am used to the heavy trigger pull. I have put around 1000 rounds through it. I now have an M&P 40 as my personal carry gun but I will keep my Sigma as I still think that for the money there is no better choice than a Sigma.

 

[FiringDragon]

Yep, I own the Sigma 9VE also. I like the gun a lot and I carry it about 50% of the time. The other 50% of the time I carry a Kel-Tec P11 (9mm also) due to its smaller size and the clothes I have to wear at work...



Anyway, I also have gotten used to the trigger pull and I put about 2000 rounds through it so far. I agree -- it is very reliable and consistent. It works well as a carry gun even with its 16+1 capacity. I usually carry it in the SOB (Small Of Back) position without any problem.



I am waiting for the M&P 9mm to be available in my area... nothing yet...

 

[IAShooter]

I don't own a Sigma, I do own a M&P.

Buddy of mine showed up at the range with a .40 cal Sigma last year.

I got to shoot a few mags through it.

I will have to say that besides all the negative I've heard about that gun, we had no failures. I think any problems in past productions had been cured.

Also, to date, the best group I have ever shot with a handgun has been with that Sigma.

My buddy sold it, I should have bought it.



IAShooter

 

[TxPhantom]

Own one of each.....

I don't own a Sigma, I do own a M&P.

Buddy of mine showed up at the range with a .40 cal Sigma last year.

I got to shoot a few mags through it.

I will have to say that besides all the negative I've heard about that gun, we had no failures. I think any problems in past productions had been cured.

Also, to date, the best group I have ever shot with a handgun has been with that Sigma.

My buddy sold it, I should have bought it.



IAShooter

Since my original post I have bought a MP40, which I love, but still shoot my SW9VE often. I still use it as a car & home gun quite a bit.

Why not just buy a new one? They only cost around $300.00. I've heard of problems with the older models but the VE models are very dependable. I've never had any problems with my SW9VE.

 

[IAShooter]

Re: Own one of each.....

[quote name='IAShooter']I don't own a Sigma, I do own a M&P.

Buddy of mine showed up at the range with a .40 cal Sigma last year.

I got to shoot a few mags through it.

I will have to say that besides all the negative I've heard about that gun, we had no failures. I think any problems in past productions had been cured.

Also, to date, the best group I have ever shot with a handgun has been with that Sigma.

My buddy sold it, I should have bought it.



IAShooter

Since my original post I have bought a MP40, which I love, but still shoot my SW9VE often. I still use it as a car & home gun quite a bit.

Why not just buy a new one? They only cost around $300.00. I've heard of problems with the older models but the VE models are very dependable. I've never had any problems with my SW9VE.[/quote]



Sad part is my buddy let his go for $200

 

[buckeye49]

I know you are out there. I own a SW9VE with about 700 or 800 rounds through it with no FTE's or FTF's. Finally getting sorta used to the trigger pull. I use it as a carry weapon sometime and as a car gun quite often. Very dependable, inexpensive and highly underrated IMO.

Just curious. The gun store has a special on the SigmaVE 9mm for $299.99. I have held these guns in my hand before in a gun shop on more than one occasion and it felt really good.



The price is great, but I hesitate buying because of all the negative I've heard about the sucky trigger. Does the trigger loosen up or get any smoother after a few hundred (or thousand) rounds?



Also, are hosters readily available (reasonably priced) for the Sigma 9VE?



It says the barrel length is 4" and the S&W website says it is a large frame. Size wise, do you think it would be a good concealed carry gun?



Is it 100% reliable on feeding (e.g. no FTE or FTFs)? For personal defense only, do you think it would be as good as any other good pistol?

 

[buckeye49]

I know you are out there. I own a SW9VE with about 700 or 800 rounds through it with no FTE's or FTF's. Finally getting sorta used to the trigger pull. I use it as a carry weapon sometime and as a car gun quite often. Very dependable, inexpensive and highly underrated IMO.

Sorry, I forgot to ask one more question. Does the gun not fire if the mag is removed (like the M&P)?

 

[FiringDragon]

Buckeye,



All the negative stuff has to do with much earlier Sigma releases. I have had mine for a year and approximately 1,500 rounds though (75-150 at a time) -- no problems whatsoever.



Yes, holsters are available but not as much selection as for the average Glock...



Yep, I use it as my daily carry gun (90% of the time), even though I have a Kel-Tec P11. It is "large-ish" but not really large -- it fits fine (I use SOB holster).



The gun is reliable, fairly accurate (especially for SD) and priced right.



As you can tell, I am happy with my choice. I will get M&P soon also, once the stores around here start carrying them, but I don't plan on replacing my Sigma.



Not sure about firing without a mag -- I don't believe it has the M&P feature, but I never tried either...



I hope I answered all you questions --



-- FD

 

[buckeye49]

Buckeye,



All the negative stuff has to do with much earlier Sigma releases. I have had mine for a year and approximately 1,500 rounds though (75-150 at a time) -- no problems whatsoever.



Yes, holsters are available but not as much selection as for the average Glock...



Yep, I use it as my daily carry gun (90% of the time), even though I have a Kel-Tec P11. It is "large-ish" but not really large -- it fits fine (I use SOB holster).



The gun is reliable, fairly accurate (especially for SD) and priced right.



As you can tell, I am happy with my choice. I will get M&P soon also, once the stores around here start carrying them, but I don't plan on replacing my Sigma.



Not sure about firing without a mag -- I don't believe it has the M&P feature, but I never tried either...



I hope I answered all you questions --



-- FD

Yes, thanks for you answers.

I really hate to pass up the $299.99 price for it. If the only thing that is not the greatest is the long hard trigger pull, then it would probably be fine for a self-defense pistol, which is why I'd buy it. I am still waiting on the COMPACT 9mm M&P to come out, but may buy the Sigma too. But, I don't want to buy it and end up (like with so many other guns) losing big bucks tying to resell it.

 

[FiringDragon]

Oops, yep I forgot to talk about the "pull". Sorry. Yes, it does get better. I noticed the difference after 800 rounds or so.



Don't buy this gun (or any *real* self-defence gun) for the resale/trade-in value. Buy it for what *you* need it to do. If you are looking for an investment, there are other guns more suitable... but then again, you don't want to shoot them too much and you certainly don't want to carry them, becuase they will "show" hoster wear...



Just my opinion.



-- FD

 

[buckeye49]

Oops, yep I forgot to talk about the "pull". Sorry. Yes, it does get better. I noticed the difference after 800 rounds or so.



Don't buy this gun (or any *real* self-defence gun) for the resale/trade-in value. Buy it for what *you* need it to do. If you are looking for an investment, there are other guns more suitable... but then again, you don't want to shoot them too much and you certainly don't want to carry them, becuase they will "show" hoster wear...



Just my opinion.



-- FD

Thanks again, for the good info.

I am seriously thinking of buying one.

 

[jivem]

I just purchased a NEW/used Sigma 9mm from a buddy who couldn't stand the trigger pull. 2 boxes of shells later he had enough. It was mine for a song & dance! Like the other posts, I purchased this for a car/back-up gun. It will do what I need it to do with a good amount of accuracy. Always there when I need it. Comparing this to the M&P is a whole other story. I'm proud to say I own the M&P 40 for serious business. They're both great guns, but Smith has worked hard on the M&P.

 

[TxPhantom]

Buy it.....

For that price you can't go wrong. The trigger does get better with use but I like the harder trigger on a carry/car gun without a external safety for safety reasons. Accuracy improves as you get used to the trigger. My SW9VE is tottaly dependable as a defensive weapon.

I have also bought a MP40 and use it sometime as a carry gun also. I've ordered a Crossbreed IWB holster with body shield for it which is supposed to work with the Sigma also. Whenever I carry the Sigma or MP now I use a slide holster mounted IWB.

There are better pistols on the market at much higher prices but for the money and dependability, you can't beat the later model, VE, Sigmas. It is one of S & W's highest selling pistols with little to no promotion. And, it's not a bad looking little gun!

 

[buckeye49]

Re: Buy it.....

For that price you can't go wrong. The trigger does get better with use but I like the harder trigger on a carry/car gun without a external safety for safety reasons. Accuracy improves as you get used to the trigger. My SW9VE is tottaly dependable as a defensive weapon.

I have also bought a MP40 and use it sometime as a carry gun also. I've ordered a Crossbreed IWB holster with body shield for it which is supposed to work with the Sigma also. Whenever I carry the Sigma or MP now I use a slide holster mounted IWB.

There are better pistols on the market at much higher prices but for the money and dependability, you can't beat the later model, VE, Sigmas. It is one of S & W's highest selling pistols with little to no promotion. And, it's not a bad looking little gun!

I agree that the price can't be beat. I'm glad to read on this post that the gun is extremely reliable and accurate. I would buy this purely for car carry and self defense, NOT for competition or the range. But, I'd have to shoot it often enough to stay comfortable and familiar with it. I really think it is a nice looking gun, and it feels good in the hand, very good. I am on the verge of buying one, but am still a little hung up on how hard the trigger pull (sounds like it really) is. Maybe I should just wait for the M&P 9mm compact to get out, although it will cost me considerably more. Is the Sigma fairly easy to conceal? I can't remember its excact dimensions.

 

[buckeye49]

Re: Buy it.....

[quote name='TxPhantom']For that price you can't go wrong. The trigger does get better with use but I like the harder trigger on a carry/car gun without a external safety for safety reasons. Accuracy improves as you get used to the trigger. My SW9VE is tottaly dependable as a defensive weapon.

I have also bought a MP40 and use it sometime as a carry gun also. I've ordered a Crossbreed IWB holster with body shield for it which is supposed to work with the Sigma also. Whenever I carry the Sigma or MP now I use a slide holster mounted IWB.

There are better pistols on the market at much higher prices but for the money and dependability, you can't beat the later model, VE, Sigmas. It is one of S & W's highest selling pistols with little to no promotion. And, it's not a bad looking little gun!

I agree that the price can't be beat. I'm glad to read on this post that the gun is extremely reliable and accurate. I would buy this purely for car carry and self defense, NOT for competition or the range. But, I'd have to shoot it often enough to stay comfortable and familiar with it. I really think it is a nice looking gun, and it feels good in the hand, very good. I am on the verge of buying one, but am still a little hung up on how hard the trigger pull (sounds like it really) is. Maybe I should just wait for the M&P 9mm compact to get out, although it will cost me considerably more. Is the Sigma fairly easy to conceal? I can't remember its excact dimensions.[/quote]



Does the accessory rail accept most common (good) combat lights?

 

[TxPhantom]

I went to the S & W manuel to get the size for you.

Overall Length = 7.25"

Weight (no mag) - 24.7 oz



It will fire with the magazine out. I haven't used the rail so I don't know about the acceptance of combat lights. I hear that the MP compacts will be out by the end of this month but who knows when they will actually be on the dealers shelves. I'll be buying a MP compact but will always keep my SW9VE.

Regarding carry size, it is a full sized (S & W classifies it as a large frame) pistol. In my opinion the barrel length has little to do with concealability. It's the grip that is hardest to hide. That's why a lot of people carry 1911's. They have slimmer grips.

There's lots of posts on http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve about the Sigmas.

 

[buckeye49]

I went to the S & W manuel to get the size for you.

Overall Length = 7.25"

Weight (no mag) - 24.7 oz



It will fire with the magazine out. I haven't used the rail so I don't know about the acceptance of combat lights. I hear that the MP compacts will be out by the end of this month but who knows when they will actually be on the dealers shelves. I'll be buying a MP compact but will always keep my SW9VE.

Regarding carry size, it is a full sized (S & W classifies it as a large frame) pistol. In my opinion the barrel length has little to do with concealability. It's the grip that is hardest to hide. That's why a lot of people carry 1911's. They have slimmer grips.

There's lots of posts on http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve about the Sigmas.

Thanks again for the good feedback. I can't believe that I'd have any trouble actually pulling the trigger on the Sigma, and I do like the fact that it is a much harder pull (although they say it is consistent and steady) for a carry gun. If I ever had to use it in a self defense situation I sure woudn't want it to go bang unless I really intended to shoot.



I emailed S&W from work yesterday afternoon about the release date for the M&P compact. They emailed me back early today saying they anticipate it will be about 2 months before it is on dealer shelves. I responed to them saying that I wish it was sooner.



Because the Sigma is such a good value for the money, I may go ahead and buy it now anyway. Currently for CCW I carry in my car a CZ75 B SA/DA Compact 9mm pistol now. It is heavy (all steel) but shoots great and feels good in the hand. I also have a "FALCO" shoulder holster rig and a separate Fobus kydex paddle holster for it. The CZ pistol has a 3.9" barrel and the size seems about right. The Sigma, with a 4" barrel wouldn't be much longer, I wouldn't think, and definitely (at 24 oz) would be lighter to carry around.

 

[maximo]

I bought my Sigma last November and have put 4600 rounds through it so far without a single failure of any kind. I don't find the harder trigger pull to be any kind of an issue. It is a combat gun not a target pistol. Mine is not my main carry gun, though I have carried it on occasion, I mostly us it as my backpacking gun.

I did a little work on mine yesterday just to see if I could do it. Here is a picture.

 

[buckeye49]

I bought my Sigma last November and have put 4600 rounds through it so far without a single failure of any kind. I don't find the harder trigger pull to be any kind of an issue. It is a combat gun not a target pistol. Mine is not my main carry gun, though I have carried it on occasion, I mostly us it as my backpacking gun.

I did a little work on mine yesterday just to see if I could do it. Here is a picture.

Looks great!

It is very reassuring to hear that you have shot 4600 rounds thru yours with no issues (e.g. no FTE or FTF). What would you compare the trigger to, in regards to actually how hard a trigger pull it is?