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You have to understand how Glock comes up with that number when it claims that 70% or 80% carry Glocks. Every single agency that issues or authorizes Glock pistols to anyone in the agency is counted as a "Glock agency" by Glock. So when NYPD authorizes the Glock, Glock counts that as 38,000 officers carrying Glocks. But in fact, the number is probably closer to 25,000 with the other 13,000 carrying something else.



One agency I've dealt with purchased almost 4,000 SIGs for its personnel over the past few years. But when the agency authorized individual agents to purchase and carry Glocks, Glock added that agency to their win column!




I recently saw something from SIG stating they have 40% or 45% of the LE market. It doesn't take calculus to figure out that if Glock has 80% and SIG has 45%, then a lot of cops are getting issued two duty pistols.




From what I've seen, Glock and Beretta are losing market share in LE while SIG, HK, and Smith are gaining. I know that's true if you look at state police agencies, and it's certainly true in federal LE where the SIG and HK dominate all but a few high-profle agencies. In fact, I bet if you compared the number of Glocks in federal service to the number of HK's in use just by CBP (Customs & Border Patrol), HK would be ahead.
 

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From what I see Glock is loosing business to S&W with their new MP series handguns. There are a number for officers on my department that have switched to the new MP series and I know of a number of departments that are looking at the S&W newest offerings. S&W profits are up so a increasing number of people are buying their guns.
 

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Triggerman66 said:
From what I see Glock is loosing business to S&W with their new MP series handguns. There are a number for officers on my department that have switched to the new MP series and I know of a number of departments that are looking at the S&W newest offerings. S&W profits are up so a increasing number of people are buying their guns.


As one who sells to LE agencies and individual officers, the majority of my agency sales are Glocks. Price has quite a bit to do with that. That said, S&W is making strong inroads but as long as Glock prices as aggressively as they do, I'm guessing that they will pretty much remain number 1.



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Yeah, Glocks are great weapons, but they're just not for me. The department I work for is going to Glock 22's here pretty soon, but it's more of a compatability thing for them. The two biggest departments in our area also carry G22's, so they're looking at it in case they're backing one of their officers up, or vice-versa, and they have to borrow a mag or something.



The thing about the M&P is that it's still pretty new, and hasn't been proven to be as reliable a platform as the Glock. Something I think will change in time.
 

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Glock is doing just fine and will continue to do so for some time to come. I doubt the M&P is a blip on their radar.


The M&P is more than a blip on their radar. It's taking market share, it's finally creating a price war at their price point, it's getting tons of press ...



Talk to some major LE agencies and commercial distributors. They'll tell you how Glock is responding ... and they are responding.
 

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I would be interested to hear more. I was not under the impression that a significant number of LE agencies were switching to M&P just yet. Also since Glock LE prices are already very low how are they responding?



I was thinking the other day what I would like to see Glock improve..reshaped grip, less blocky slide, more comfortable trigger, better out of the box sighs when I realized i was basically describing an M&P.
 

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I would be interested to hear more. I was not under the impression that a significant number of LE agencies were switching to M&P just yet. Also since Glock LE prices are already very low how are they responding?


For a gun that has only been around for two years, the M&P has penetrated the LE market with impressive results. In particular, they stole New Mexico State Patrol from Glock ... and with a model that hasn't even made it to market yet.



There used to be only one major player in the market that could offer ridiculously low pricing to get a contract. That same company used to have no real competition at its price point and could therefore raise its price with impunity while still being inexpensive compared to competitors. The M&P can compete on price. A lot more police departments purchase based on price than you might think.



I was thinking the other day what I would like to see Glock improve..reshaped grip, less blocky slide, more comfortable trigger, better out of the box sighs when I realized i was basically describing an M&P.


Bingo.
 

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I don't think I remember seeing a single cop around here with a Glock. Then again, I might have seen one or two, but just didn't think about it. Mostly the cops around here use a "grab bag" of guns, and they don't seem to have any specific theme outside of calibur (9mm and 40 S&W usually).
 

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good read I am surprised that there are a couple people promoting the m&p
 

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Glocks are decent if you don't use HOT duty loads. Several of the agents I work with have had their (personally owned, off duty) Glock frames blow apart while shooting duty ammo through them. After returning the pistols to Glock for repairs, every agent was told that warranties would not be honored if they continued to shoot US Border Patrol issued ammo through the guns. I've also heard rumors that Glock cried foul when the USBP would not change their duty ammo while testing prospectful duty guns. My USP Compact has thousands of rounds through it, no problems. My Beretta 96D was not very reliable, it shot straight but throw in a little dust and all bets are off for cycling. Now the new M&P .40C for off duty carry, LOVE IT. Too bad we can't carry an M&P on duty. Just my .02
 

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Here in Chicago the powers that be approved the department to carry striker fired weapons meaning glock, xd, m&p. I chose to go with the m&p because of the feel of trigger and the grip. I was one of the first one in the department with 40 cal and 40 cal compact. A lot of the glock guys that I went to class were stunned how the m&p felt.



Another plus of the order , the compact m&p size is witihin the order for use to carry on the street as a primary duty weapon. A lot of the old time smith people are jumping on the compact. I dont know how many times, I've had fellow officers asked to see my compact.



And some more good news.....I talked to our s&w rep and he said after the 1st quarter, the 45 cal comact will be out.
Looks like another gun to my collection!!!!



be safe!



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I know my PD issues any Glock(even subcompact w/ ext. mag or .45s) that is requested/qualified by the officer, some of the older gentlemen still are qualified with a wheel gun due to being grandfathered in. I know they have to either have a NY spring or >8 lb trigger. I have never shot a LE glock but I know I love my M&P Fullsize over my G19 (selling soon). But I do understand the 'relibility' effect of the Glock.



Most any respectable handgun will get the job done.
 

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PA state police are getting rid of the Beretta 96 for the Glock 37 .45 GAP



State police to get new guns

Published: October 09. 2007 6:00AM

Erie Times News



Pennsylvania State Police are phasing out their old firearms and getting new, higher-caliber weapons.



State police in Erie's Troop E are being trained with a new pistol, the .45-caliber Glock Model 37, through the end of October, troop spokesman Cpl. Mark Zaleski said.



The change is necessary after Gov. Ed Rendell approved an increase in the size of the state police force in May 2006, said Sgt. David Pallone, supervisor of planning and analysis in the State Police Bureau of Research and Development who oversaw the selection of the new weapon



The previous weapon, the .40-caliber Beretta Grenadier 96D, was out of production, and the state police needed a uniform weapon, Pallone said. The Berettas were near the end of their commission, Pallone said.



"We were able to facilitate it pretty quickly because our firearms were aging and we were looking at what was available in the market and testing some weapons," Pallone said.





Selecting the new weapon took almost a year of testing and trials with state troopers, Pallone said. He said the Glock was the most popular gun among the troopers.



"What I like about it is that it's a larger caliber, a heavier bullet, and it's a faster bullet," said Cpl. Mark Amato, who helped Pallone select the new pistol.



Though the caliber is larger, the gun is smaller and more manageable, Pallone said.



The Glock has a slimmer grip and shorter trigger pull, making it easier to fire for a wider range of hand sizes. A polymer frame, as opposed to the Beretta's steel frame, also makes the Glock a lighter weapon, Pallone said.



The Glock also has less perceived recoil, despite the larger round, Pallone said.
 

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Having shot a lot of 96-series Berettas and the Glock in 45 GAP, all I can say is that anyone who thinks the GAP is more controllable must shoot at Bizarro Range.



And the 96D Brig that PASP issued had an aluminum frame, not a steel one.



This isn't new news, btw. The decision was made early this year after Glock gave NYSD 5,000 free Glocks to help reinvigorate the .45 GAP cartridge in the LE market.



edited 21:30 Tu 16-Oct, changed "NYPD" to "NYSP" sorry for the mix-up
 

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The list of agencies issuing Glock is impressive. More than a few federal agencies are issuing

the Glock, including the FBI, U.S. Marshals, and what used to be Customs ( I have no clue what

they call the agency now, but the initials are CBP. ). A lot of local and state agencies follow the

lead of what these agencies do, which is not necessarily the "right" thing to do, but happens

just the same. The FBI soured on S&W after the 1076 didn't live up to it's expectations, and

the 10mm round they were carrying was pushing 40 cal. ballistics anyway. You never know

though, the Feds have a long history with S&W, and they do have a winner in the M&P it would

seem.



I think a lot of it has to do with geographics too. More agencies in Florida carry the Glock than

any other brand, especially in North Florida were I spent six years as a police officer. Sig is

another popular brand in Florida. Now that I live near Memphis, TN, I see more Sigs in police

holsters than any other brand, with the new DAK trigger being very popular.



I think the M&P series will make serious headway in the LE market in the coming years, given

it's versatility with grip sizes, etc. I am becoming a fan very quickly, but don't see carrying

one on duty, as the Glock is firmly ensconced here, at least for now.
 

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ToddG said:
Having shot a lot of 96-series Berettas and the Glock in 45 GAP, all I can say is that anyone who thinks the GAP is more controllable must shoot at Bizarro Range.



And the 96D Brig that PASP issued had an aluminum frame, not a steel one.



This isn't new news, btw. The decision was made early this year after Glock gave NYPD 5,000 free Glocks to help reinvigorate the .45 GAP cartridge in the LE market.


This is just my perception, but having fired both weapon systems, I find the Glock more controllable than the Beretta, or Sig, or third gen. S&W. I think what makes it more controllable,

at least for me, is the lower bore axis of the Glock ( and S&W M&P ). I find that recovery is also

quicker, especially when compared to the Sig.



Did Glock give the free guns to NYPD? or NYSP? I knew the NYSP were going to the 37. Is NYPD

also considering a change? I know the Glock 19 is the most carried weapon with NYPD, but it

seems that the 45 GAP would be a better performer, especially with heavily clothed suspects in

the fall and winter months. Having been involved in a shooting with the 9mm where it didn't

perform as quickly as I would have liked, I would definitely feel more comfortable with the 45

GAP, ACP, 40, etc.
 

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The City of Columbus and the City of Cincinnati both issue M&Ps to their respective departments. Columbus issues the MP40 and Cincinnati issues the MP9.
 
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