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Just bought a M&P 45 from them,get the thing home and find out it was made in 07..To say I was pissed is an extreme understatement especially when I found out that the current models have a updated finish,revised sear block,larger spring/plunger and different sites. But that didnt stop them from charging a high price for a outdated 4 year old gun..I called them about it and the owner was very rude..they finally said the only thing they can do is send it to S&W for the sear block and spring/plunger(which I could do myself). Now Im going to be without a "brand new" gun for weeks while S&W update thing(sear block,spring/plunger)and still have the old finish and sites.




Then when I told him I wanted to cancel a layway I had on another pistol he tried to juice me for an extra $20 ontop of their 20% restock fee..like I cant use a calculator or something..The owner also straight lied to me when I asked what the difference between buying both guns at once or one at a time was,he said just that I would have to pick them up the same day but convientely left out the part about the multiple purchase law..stay away from this scam artist gun shop theyll try to screw you out of your hard earned money anyway they posssibly can.
 

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"I would have to pick them up the same day but convientely left out the part about the multiple purchase law."





I don't know what he meant when you paraphrased the owners comments, but there is NO restriction on purchasing more than one gun at a time......I have done it many times and carried them out the door.



There is however a reporting requirement (Form 3310.4) by the FFL to the ATF (no later than the close of business day of the transaction) to notify them of multiple gun purchases by an individual....unless you specify you plan on using them in Mexico, then there is no requirement ! restrictions on any party involved in the transaction.



For example, if you buy two guns on Monday, the report has to be filed on Monday. If you buy just one more gun on Thursday, then they must again file a report, because of multiple ( 3 guns in 5 days) purchases within the 5 consecutive day rule. The Brady Law (, 18 USC 923(3)(A), further requires such transaction to be reported to state or local law enforcement.



He may be passing along a "labor" fee to those that purchase multiple guns to cover his "costs" of time / energy to complete the paperwork.......that would just be a stupid business practice and even more stupid to not believe someone on the other side of the counter might know the difference.



Of course there are a number of legitimate ways to make multiple purchases and defeat the intent of this law, e.g. buy one at the gun show, then buy one at Dealer A on the way home, and another at Dealer B on the way home etc.
 

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Sounds like you should of done a little more homework before you made your purchase. You could of asked to see the spent case with the test fire date. Regardless I'm sorry to hear you're not 100% happy with your purchase. I wouldn't worry too much about it being an older gun though.
 

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MP9-I know about the multiple purchase law and under what circumstances it needs to be reported to atf, and he did too..but instead of being honest about it he straight up lied. I wonder how many people are on the atfs list because of this guys lies?



dhunley-would you honestly vin check and carfax a "brand new" car? The age of the gun wouldnt have bothered me so much if there wasnt so many revisions between then and the truly "new" guns and if it was priced accordingly. Its like chevy selling you a 85 model that has a carb in 89 when they came with fuel injection for full price..and presenting it as current..very bad buisness. Plus when I called him out on the extra $20 he tried to juice me for (ontop of the 20% restock fee that I lost) he just dropped it,which tells me that he actively tries to take advantage of people.



My intentions were to buy a couple pistols and support a local buisness..his intetions are to screw honest hard working people out of as much as he can..bottom line.
 

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Guns are a little different than cars. Obviously I wouldn't check the carfax on a new car... I would however ask to see the test fire date when purchasing a gun, especially one like the M&P which has had a few revisions. Had you done your research before buying, the sights should of been a dead giveaway. I'm not siding with the gun shop by any means. It just sounds to me like you bought a gun and then did your research after...
 

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Sounds like you should of done a little more homework before you made your purchase. You could of asked to see the spent case with the test fire date. Regardless I'm sorry to hear you're not 100% happy with your purchase. I wouldn't worry too much about it being an older gun though.




I agree. More homework should have been done first.



Nice having the internet. Easy to find and do as much research on something before had. THEN, you can be one up if some idiot is trying to pack your six selling you something.
 

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The owner also straight lied to me when I asked what the difference between buying both guns at once or one at a time was,he said just that I would have to pick them up the same day but convientely left out the part about the multiple purchase law.





Maybe he wasn't lying.

He may have just been informing you what their business policy was, which is irrelevant to their ATF reporting requirements. If you knew the difference why didn't you just simply follow up his retort with the same question you are asking on this forum ?
 

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I guess I shouldve done more home work..but I did enough to know that people generally have really good things to say about the M&P and S&W..I guess Im too trusting cause Im an honest person..4years is kinda on the extreme end of things..other types of buisnisses are upfront about these kind of things,why not gun dealers?



If the dude was upfront about it I wouldve also purchased the glock 17 I had holding then a S&W 340pd(over $800 revolver)the following week and then a high dollar lwrc ar15 the next week..Do the math dishonesty doesnt pay,he got me once but lost out on what? $3000.00 plus of additional sales from me alone in less than a months time..No b.s... On top of that loss, I belong to two ranges/clubs in the area and you better believe everyone I run into is gonna hear about this..so you can imagine how much in sales he stands to lose..



I didnt argue with him about the atf paperwork because I dont like arguing with people..it gets nobody anywhere and makes both people angry..I asked very specifically what happens when you buy two at once and he answered very specifically that that was THE only difference..Us gun people are supposed to be on the same side and not give the gungrabbing nazis anymore ammo to screw us over with..



Homework or not..atf paperwork or not..the point of all this is to help other good,hardworking people avoid being ripped off for their hard earned money and time..agreed?
 

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Did he lie and tell you the gun was made on a different date?
 

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No he didnt tell me it was made on another date but thats becasue I didnt ask..I mean really why would I have any reason to think he was selling me a 4 yearold outdated gun?..like I wouldnt expect to go to a new car dealership and be sold a 4 yearold outdated car or buy a computer in 2011 and get one that has windows 2007 os..other members here are pissed that they got a gun dated 09 in 20011..so add 2 more years of sitting around,slide racking,and dry firing and imagine how I feel..purposely leaving out information is the same as lying in my book..



he did indeed lie about the multiple gun purchase paperwork..he also actively tried to add $20 to the agreed restock fee thinking I couldnt calculate the figure myself..and on their website www.guns4jax.com they claim to be north floridas largest gun shop which is also a straight lie..this guy lies and tries to steal from people in any possible way..



once again..the point of this thread is to inform people that if they dont want to have to argue with people to get accurate information,get what they pay for and generally not get screwed over then DONT buy from them..if you want to buy from them go ahead,just dont say I didnt try to warn you..
 

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Sorry to hear about your troubles, hope you find the pistol worthy.



I try to support one local gun shop about 20 miles from me, have four to choose from. Over the years we have built a relationship, I get good service & they get my business. I could shop price & get a better deal but these guys treat me well & I have no issues they don't fix. Loyalty is important.
 

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Sorry to hear about your troubles, hope you find the pistol worthy.



I try to support one local gun shop about 20 miles from me, have four to choose from. Over the years we have built a relationship, I get good service & they get my business. I could shop price & get a better deal but these guys treat me well & I have no issues they don't fix. Loyalty is important.


thanks Myst..I am actually very happy with the M&P,so much so that I will be picking up a M&P40 within a couple weeks! also I have nothing but great things to say about S&W cs..theyre gonna take in my M&P45 and update it,they already sent a shipping label
..and yeah you pretty much summed it up..treat me fair and I will be a very loyal customer even if there is a price difference(within reason ofcourse lol)I dont mind paying an extra $20 or so on a $500.00 plus gun, to deal with honest respectful people..I went back to my regular dealer and went ahead and bought the glock 17..still trying to figure out which lwrc Im gonna go with but will be buying that along with a S&W340pd and shortly after the M&P40
 

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Wild West is my favorite local store. They don't use the high-pressure sales tactics that some other stores use. Like St. Nicholas, they won't let you walk out the door without trying to twist your arm to buy something.

Moreover, one time I was in the market for a .22 pistol. I went to Wild West and ended up buying a cheap Taurus 1911 in .22LR. Took it home, fired it a couple times, then field stripped it to clean it and get familiar with it. Once I took it apart I realized how cheaply made it was. I took it back to the store and told the owner it just wasn't the quality I was looking for, and that I understood the store's No Returns policy, but if he gave me a good enough deal on buying it back I would buy one of his Browning Buckmarks. He told me to pick one out then we'd talk. I picked out a Buckmark Hunter's model with a 6" octagonal barrel, and he ended up giving me a full refund on the price of the Taurus. Wasn't expecting that!

That was the third gun I had bought from them, in addition to a S&W M&P 9mm, and a previously-owned AR15. All good guns at good prices, and the staff is friendly and they don't mind if you come in just to browse.
 

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I've heard bad things about this store.

Go down to GT Distributors in Orange Park. Best customer service in the area, and surprisingly good prices. I'm not affiliated, but I bought 3 guns there and other gear, and would drive the extra distance again.
 
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