Bought another CZ, a bit different, that's one reason I bought it

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M1A4ME

Discussion Starter · 22 d ago

Ran across this one a couple weeks back. Right after I bought the M&P 2.0 .40 PC pistol.

This CZ is 9MM (they only made then in 9MM.) It's an early Omega series pistol. The P07/P09/P01 and the never CZ75B Omegas will swap safeties for decocking levers (comes with decockers installed and with the safeties in the box and instructions in the owner's manual). The first series of the CZ75B Omega either came with a single left side decocking lever or single left side thumb safety. No swapping back and forth possible.

This one was made in 2014 and appears to be new in the box. Got a good deal. It was dry as a bone with no powder residue in/on it. Factory clean. Means it was shot for function testing and a five shot group. Did you know CZ includes a computer generated (sort of) picture of the test target? This one shot a 63 MM group at 25 yds., or about 2.5". I kind of doubt I could shoot it that good.

Has the upswept beavertail that most CZ owners seem to like. I do. Also came with what has got to be the worst trigger I've ever pulled on a CZ pistol. Just downright awful. Could be fixed with a new aftermarket hammer and some polishing of internal parts. The factory trigger on the M&P 2.0 PC pistol is way above this one on the ladder of bad to good triggers.

I've seen several of the versions with the decocker lever, a bunch of the later ones with the swappable safety or decocking levers. This is the only safety model/early Omega CZ75B I've seen.

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ShipWreck

· #2 · 22 d ago

Congrats! Glad ya found another gun you wanted.

crc4

· #3 · 22 d ago

I bought a P-01 Omega last December. I installed the MCARBO spring kit, did some polishing, and now it's an excellent trigger - as good as anything I own in pistols.

Far easier to do a trigger job on the Omega than a 75b or 75b Decocker.

I'd buy another Omega model without hesitation, though some people do not like them.

M1A4ME

Discussion Starter · #4 · 22 d ago

My very first CZ is a DUTY model (first model) P07 .40 S&W. Came out of the box with a 3&1/4 lb. SA trigger pull with an 8&1/2 lb. DA trigger pull. And the groups are still setting my standards for a carry pistol.

My second CZ is a P09 9MM. Trigger not quite as good as the P07 but close. A little work got it closer. Absolutely the most accurate semi-auto pistol I've ever shot.

There were a lot of CZ's after that. None as accurate as those first two. Close, but not quite.

My first P01 Omega was one of the Urban Gray models. Had to polish the feed ramp to keep it from occasionally jamming with a bullet nose in the feed ramp. My second P01 Omega was just a regular black polycoat pistol.

My problem (one of them) is I really like the looks of the longer slide pistols. But I'm not going to try to conceal carry them. So I buy these pistols that may/may not shoot good and they're just range guns or safe guns.

This CZ75B Omega is a "long" slide gun, or full sized (as long slide as CZ gets) and I like the looks but I'm not going to be trying to put it IWB and carry it - besides, it doesn't have a red dot. And it's got the upswept beavertail I like (regular B, BD, Compacts, PCR, don't have that). And it's the only one I've ever laid eyes on. I'm sure there are lots more, it's just that I've never seen one in a gun store, in a gun show, etc. People have the decocker Omega model, but I just don't recall seeing the safety model.

The 2.0 PC .40 is getting carried every day in a thigh holster when I go outside to do anything around my yard, the dog pen, etc. I really do need to go shoot that thing some more. I've got four more Blue Dot loads to shoot through it to see if one does better than the 10 I shot on the first range trip.

Sorry, I get to typing (type fast, read fast). Some time I'll tell the story of how/why I took typing in the first place.

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CNC1

· #5 · 22 d ago

Nice gun! While we are waiting on S&W to get our 9mm PC Ez figured out, we also bought a CZ. A P10 optic ready model, already tried it out today, NO failures of any kind, and darn accurate. Trigger enhancement, and maybe some night sights are on the horizon. I wish we would have bought this from the beginning.

M1A4ME

Discussion Starter · #6 · 22 d ago

I hear a lot of good things about the P10 but they don't have thumb safeties. All my guns (except two or three in the safe) have thumb safeties. No safeties on the P10. No P10's in the safe, let alone in a holster.

When they first advertised the P10 they talked about 9MM, .40 S&W and .45 acp models. The .40's were never born (though I did run across a magazine - new in the packaging - that says it's for the P09 or P10 .40 S&W caliber guns. No idea how many .40 mags. they had made before they backed out of making the P10 pistols in .40 S&W. I've seen pictures and read of some owners (on the CZ Forum) who ran across P10 pistols in .45 acp and they love them. No safeties on those either.

The 2.0 .40 I just bought didn't have safeties but the safety, spring/detent were on order before I ever got the pistol and they are on the pistol now. That's one of the neat things about M&Ps (most of them, I realize now every frame has the cuts/plugs for the safeties) is that the owner can add safeties or remove safeties. Several of the Omega CZ's allow you to choose between decockers and thumb safeties.

CZ doesn't offer ported barrels/slide either.

CZ only makes .40's now in the bigger competition pistols. MORE expensive, too.

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CNC1

· #7 · 22 d ago

True, they don't have nothing more than a trigger safety, but some guns don't even have that (SIG). When we do carry a gun, we don't have one in the chamber. I know you shouldn't do that, but in today's world I would really hesitate to even use a gun anyway. The great news is ours worked flawlessly, but my father's new FN wouldn't cycle at all, it wouldn't feed or eject the rounds at all, but what do you want for $1500.

M1A4ME

Discussion Starter · #8 · 21 d ago

CNC1 said:
True, they don't have nothing more than a trigger safety, but some guns don't even have that (SIG). When we do carry a gun, we don't have one in the chamber. I know you shouldn't do that, but in today's world I would really hesitate to even use a gun anyway. The great news is ours worked flawlessly, but my father's new FN wouldn't cycle at all, it wouldn't feed or eject the rounds at all, but what do you want for $1500.

I'm not saying you shouldn't buy them because the don't have thumb safeties.

I'm a big fan of consistency. My CZ's have thumb safties. My XD .45 has thumb safties (an odd, not very common model of the 5" Tactical .45's), my M&Ps have thumb safeties from the 1.0's to the 2.0's to the Shields, etc., My FNS and FNS-C pistols have thumb safeties, my Colt's have thumb safeties. My Browning, my XDM, my SIG do not have thumb safeties. Every now and then I take one of those non thumb safety pistols to the range, but I'm not going to carry one. My hand/thumb are used to working with safeties and when the safety isn't there it confuses my mind when the thumb doesn't find what it's used to finding.

Sorry to hear about the FN issues. All mine are older and worked flawlessly, but only the 5" Long Slide model shot nice groups.

crc4

· #9 · 21 d ago

M1A4ME said:
I'm not saying you shouldn't buy them because the don't have thumb safeties.

I'm a big fan of consistency. My CZ's have thumb safeties. . . My hand/thumb are used to working with safeties and when the safety isn't there it confuses my mind when the thumb doesn't find what it's used to finding.

I understand. It's for that very reason of consistency I don't like thumb safeties. I prefer DA/SA where the trigger pull is my safety. I've had Colt 45s, BHPs, and still have an HP clone (the FEG). But I never carried them on duty or as a civilian as a primary, and in the last few years, not even as a BU.

That's one of the reasons in the past few decades I've never tried modern Colt-type .45s. I've made it a habit to only buy guns I would carry and they're are no SAO pistols I would carry unless forced by circumstances.

So there are different consistencies that are ingrained habits and without good reasons, there's no need to change.

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CNC1

· #10 · 21 d ago

I get what you're saying. We are phasing out our safeties. The EZ9 just has a trigger and grip safety. My Tarus truck gun also has a safety, but I want that on a small gun. We worked on the FN some today, cleaned the living heck out of it, still not 100%. To me it looks a lot like a Canik.

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M1A4ME

Discussion Starter · #11 · 21 d ago

If it works for you and your happy with the way it works and the way it shoots that's what you want to carry. Gotta have confidence in what you carry or it's not worth carrying.

M1A4ME

Discussion Starter · #12 · 18 d ago

Oh, made a mistake on the CZ. Got confused - or thought I knew something I didn't.

These were all safety models. It's a "B" model. Omega, not traditional CZ75 lockwork but a "B" is a safety on some models or ambidextrous safeties on other models.

I was mistaken when I thought the earlier ones I'd seen were decocker models.

I'm still happy with it. It'll be cheaper if I leave it like it is and concentrate on the 2.0 .40 PC.

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jimmyd4golf

· #13 · 18 d ago

ShipWreck said:
Congrats! Glad ya found another gun you wanted.

M1A4ME said:
Ran across this one a couple weeks back. Right after I bought the M&P 2.0 .40 PC pistol.

This CZ is 9MM (they only made then in 9MM.) It's an early Omega series pistol. The P07/P09/P01 and the never CZ75B Omegas will swap safeties for decocking levers (comes with decockers installed and with the safeties in the box and instructions in the owner's manual). The first series of the CZ75B Omega either came with a single left side decocking lever or single left side thumb safety. No swapping back and forth possible.

This one was made in 2014 and appears to be new in the box. Got a good deal. It was dry as a bone with no powder residue in/on it. Factory clean. Means it was shot for function testing and a five shot group. Did you know CZ includes a computer generated (sort of) picture of the test target? This one shot a 63 MM group at 25 yds., or about 2.5". I kind of doubt I could shoot it that good.

Has the upswept beavertail that most CZ owners seem to like. I do. Also came with what has got to be the worst trigger I've ever pulled on a CZ pistol. Just downright awful. Could be fixed with a new aftermarket hammer and some polishing of internal parts. The factory trigger on the M&P 2.0 PC pistol is way above this one on the ladder of bad to good triggers.

I've seen several of the versions with the decocker lever, a bunch of the later ones with the swappable safety or decocking levers. This is the only safety model/early Omega CZ75B I've seen.

The trigger on CZ's leaves a lot to be desired. I installed the professional kit from CGW on mine, with the flat trigger option, along with polishing the internals. Works like a charm.

M1A4ME

Discussion Starter · #14 · 18 d ago

I've got a few CZs. The triggers are variable as far as smoothness and effort to drop the hammer. Same as most other guns. The latest 2.0 .40 Performance Center pistol I bought 3 or 4 weeks back has a worse trigger than my 2.0 .45 acp compact. Can't remember about the 2.0 FDE 5" 9MM. I put an Apex trigger kit in it and it's awesome. When I ordered the 2.0 .45 I ordered the Apex trigger kit for it before I got the pistol. When I got the pistol I realized it didn't really need the trigger kit but I'd already bought it so I put it in there. I was holding off on the new .40 expecting it to be better than it was. Then again I've found a really nice trigger doesn't mean nice groups. But back to the CZ experience.

A lot of people don't like the length of pull but the design is a DA/SA trigger and the pull is longer. Especially if you let your finger all the way up and allow the trigger to move fully forward. I always shoot SA. Carry them cocked and locked so the trigger pull is the same every round. Just like a striker fired gun (M&P and others).

That is one of the neat things about CZs, or was in the past. CZ USA was a great place find the factory parts you wanted/needed. CGW (Cajun Gun Works) and CZ Custom were great places to find all kinds of aftermarket custom upgrade parts as well as some factory parts. Lately CZ USA is out of stock on a lot of factory/spare parts pretty often compared to a few years ago.

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brcz75

· #15 · 10 d ago

crc4 said:
I bought a P-01 Omega last December. I installed the MCARBO spring kit, did some polishing, and now it's an excellent trigger - as good as anything I own in pistols.

Far easier to do a trigger job on the Omega than a 75b or 75b Decocker.

I'd buy another Omega model without hesitation, though some people do not like them.

I don't know what to think of the Omega models. In my mind the question is: Is it still a CZ75?

crc4

· #16 · 10 d ago

brcz75 said:
I don't know what to think of the Omega models. In my mind the question is: Is it still a CZ75?

It is to me. The feel and function are the same. Both are cz75s.

M1A4ME

Discussion Starter · #17 · 10 d ago

The feel, in your hand is the same (talking about the CZ75B and the CZ75B Omega, or the P01 Omega). The P07/P09 definitely don't feel as good or fit as good in my hand. But the darn things shoot as well or better than the metal framed guns.

The insides are where the Omega's are different. People argue all day about which model is best for having a nice trigger or being able to work the parts to obtain a nice trigger. The B model vs. the BD model. The Omega vs the B/BD models. It takes some work with stones/oil/time to smooth them up. Some people remove the firing pin block, some install custom/aftermarket parts inside, some people just shoot them. CZ makes a lot of different competition models and they still offer .40's - but only in the competition guns. Not the EDC P07s/P10s, etc. They used to make the Rami in .40 but they've quit making it completely after only offering it in 9MM for a few years. They quit making the two compact models (P02 and P06 I think they were called) in .40 several years ago. They've never offered models chambered for .357 SIG. If you wanted one in that caliber you had to buy a . 40 and send it off to CZ Custom to have them make/fit a barrel to the gun.

I have some CZs that shoot groups like a revolver. Couldn't ask for better. I have more that don't shoot as well as those best 3 or 4 but still shoot darn good groups by most people's standards.

I just find that CZ is moving away from the kind of pistols I like. I could buy a new CZ in .40 but it would cost me about three times as much, or more , than I just paid for the 2.0 .40 PC pistol.

And now they've stopped making the P01 Omega pistols, too. I suppose the think people will just say, "Okay, I can't get the model/caliber I want from CZ so I'll just buy whatever CZ wants to make/sell no matter the cost/size of it." Nope. On the CZ Forum, when I talk about my Shield Plus I get a few agreements about what nice shooting pistols they are. CZ no longer offers a small 9MM period. "CZ guys" are buying Shields and Shield Plus pistols and liking them. I do.

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CNC1

· #18 · 8 d ago

Parts keep arriving for the wife's new P10C. Changed sights to Night Fision tritium, fairly easy, and much better. Replaced trigger with a CZ custom, HB Industries Theta trigger, it has removed almost all the pre travel. While the gun was in pieces (so to speak) I also installed an Overwatch Precision striker and the pull weight went down a touch more. I ordered a couple of Henning Group +2 mag extensions like the ones on my P10. But hers are in purple, like the trigger. I will inlay the slide as soon as my purple paint comes in. Still on the fence about a green dot, but the Primary Arms "Vulcan" reticle is very high on the list. Top it off with 1,000 rounds of Winchester white box FMJ ammo on sale at Rural King, as I'm learning, that doesn't last long at a range (LOL).

M1A4ME

Discussion Starter · #19 · 8 d ago

A lot of people brag about the P10 pistols. I just never warmed up to the idea of buying one as they don't have thumb safeties.

They were originally going to make/sell them in 9MM, .40 S&W and .45 acp. They didn't make the .40's, they made a few .45 acp pistols. I ordered some P07 or P09 magazines 3 years ago, or so, and one of them was actually in a package labeled P10 and was a .40 S&W magazine. I just left it in the package for the novelty of it. All the new P10 9MM magazines will fit/work in a P07 or P09 9MM, too. The older ones will not as the put the magazine catch on the P10 pistols in a slightly different location than the P07/P09 pistols. The newer magazines just have two slots cut a short distance apart to accommodate the catch locations on either pistol.

CNC1

· #20 · 2 d ago

Almost done, looking at green dots. Trigger, striker, mag extensions, sights are all done now. I can't inlay the paint; the Czech model has different engravings than my American model. It is much finer, probably done by a laser.

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