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Comparison between M&P and XD - Round 2



I posted a comparison between XD and M&P earlier in this topic:



http://www.mp-pistol.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=119



While at the range with my XD, I was reminded of additional comparison issues:



Correction to an Implication Made in the XD Strengths section:



  • I mentioned that the front of the slide gets hot in the M&P 40, and that the XD does not have this issue. Well - I stand corrected. I had my club's indoor range alone for a while, and ran 200 rounds through the XD in a shorter-than-normal time-frame. Toward the end, I burned my finger on the slide. So there: It's true even with the XD too.




    • M&P Strengths:
      • The M&P magazines are superior to the XD magazines in design: They do not change shape and therefore drop free every time. The XD magazine will eventually change shape over time so that they will not drop free. This has happened to me so many times that I've lost count. The problem is that the front lip of the XD mag (just in front of the second round from the top) becomes bowed (in a large radius arc) over time. This arc then drags on the front of the mag well in the XD. The correction is to put that lip on a hard surface and step on it until the arc is flattened slightly. Then the magazines fall free. This happens to all three of my XD magazines. It never happens to the M&P magazine.


      • Plus the M&P uses a positive pressure to spring the magazine out. The XD mags must fall out using gravity (which is fine as long as the front lip of the magazine doesn't catch the front of the magazine well.)




        • M&P Trigger:




          • Stock Trigger Weight:



            This is only my opinion and the issue is being remedied soon with a trigger job from Dan Burwell (http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com). The trigger pull on the M&P is heavy enough to disturb my front site alignment. In other words, it is nearly impossible for me to release the sear without moving the front site. I can release the sear on my XD without any motion at the site. So, I'm having Dan drop the pull down to 3.5 pounds shortly. Maybe it's just me. Maybe its that the M&P that I have is heavier in the trigger than others. A lighter trigger will be very welcome - and I think will make the M&P even better.




            • -Mike
 

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He can't help it...M&P Jedi mind trick (these aren't the droids you want, this is the pistol you want... :wink: )
 

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mcone said:
Comparison between M&P and XD - Round 2



I posted a comparison between XD and M&P earlier in this topic:



http://www.mp-pistol.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=119



While at the range with my XD, I was reminded of additional comparison issues:



Correction to an Implication Made in the XD Strengths section:



  • I mentioned that the front of the slide gets hot in the M&P 40, and that the XD does not have this issue. Well - I stand corrected. I had my club's indoor range alone for a while, and ran 200 rounds through the XD in a shorter-than-normal time-frame. Toward the end, I burned my finger on the slide. So there: It's true even with the XD too.




    • There are only 2 things I wish the M&P had, which the XD does: (1) A loaded chamber indicator you can feel in the dark; and (2) The stiker sticks out the back so you can FEEL when the gun is cocked. As much as I like my M&P 40 and my M&P 9mm, I think the Springfiled XD has it over the Smith on this count.



      M&P Strengths:
      • The M&P magazines are superior to the XD magazines in design: They do not change shape and therefore drop free every time. The XD magazine will eventually change shape over time so that they will not drop free. This has happened to me so many times that I've lost count. The problem is that the front lip of the XD mag (just in front of the second round from the top) becomes bowed (in a large radius arc) over time. This arc then drags on the front of the mag well in the XD. The correction is to put that lip on a hard surface and step on it until the arc is flattened slightly. Then the magazines fall free. This happens to all three of my XD magazines. It never happens to the M&P magazine.


      • Plus the M&P uses a positive pressure to spring the magazine out. The XD mags must fall out using gravity (which is fine as long as the front lip of the magazine doesn't catch the front of the magazine well.)




        • M&P Trigger:




          • Stock Trigger Weight:



            This is only my opinion and the issue is being remedied soon with a trigger job from Dan Burwell (http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com). The trigger pull on the M&P is heavy enough to disturb my front site alignment. In other words, it is nearly impossible for me to release the sear without moving the front site. I can release the sear on my XD without any motion at the site. So, I'm having Dan drop the pull down to 3.5 pounds shortly. Maybe it's just me. Maybe its that the M&P that I have is heavier in the trigger than others. A lighter trigger will be very welcome - and I think will make the M&P even better.




            • -Mike
 

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nikon777 said:
your comparisons seem slanted. almost as if you subconsciously want the MP to win.






I don't know about mcone but being a Glock guy I wanted to dislike the M&P. I hoped I would find too many negatives about it to purchase one. However, if you read my review you will see I can't come up with many and that at this point I absolutely love it! And that's coming from a die-hard Glock owner. :oops:



Good comparison mcone, keep at it!
 

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nikon777 said:
your comparisons seem slanted. almost as if you subconsciously want the MP to win.


As the author of the original post - I completely agree. Being human, all of my opinions are are most likely slanted in some way.



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I love my XD!

but my buddie just got the M&P the only thing i like is the serrations on the slide if the xd had that it would be nice
 

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I have to admit, even I am torn between the M&P40 and the XD-45 Tac. I like them both, but only want one of them. I already have a .45 Ruger, so I dunno...



Being in California sucks though with all the dang rules and such. Getting an M&P has been less than promising lately.
And XD's sell out almost immediately.
 

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MP4ME said:
And XD's sell out almost immediately.
That should tell you something.




Until it re-earns my trust, my MP40 has been relieved of CCW duty and replaced with a zero-malfunction (for me) XD45 Service model.



I will be taking a serious look at the MP45, though, because I do like the ergos of the MP platform.
 

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snscott said:
[quote name='MP4ME']And XD's sell out almost immediately.
That should tell you something.




Until it re-earns my trust, my MP40 has been relieved of CCW duty and replaced with a zero-malfunction (for me) XD45 Service model.



I will be taking a serious look at the MP45, though, because I do like the ergos of the MP platform.[/quote]



Well, Springfield has done a heck of a job marketing it. It didn't do nearly as well when it was called the HS2000 IIRC. But, the XD is a good gun, for sure.



What happened with your M&P that has lost your trust in it?
 

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snscott said:
[quote name='MP4ME']What happened with your M&P that has lost your trust in it?
Oh, don't get me started. <sigh>
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I feel your pain.
 

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Just do a search for my messages and you'll see what issues I've had with mine. Keep in mind that ANY gun you buy, from ANY manufacturer is a roll of the dice. You might get a sweet jewel that never ever fails, or you might get that lemon that slipped out of the factory that day.



I will say that any time I have to send a gun back to the manufacturer I lose a lot of trust for that gun even if it is ultimately repaired. I have only had to do this twice; once with an old, old original (non-AR) Bushmaster rifle back in the early 80's, and my S&W MP40 this year after only 200 rounds through it. With the Bushmaster, I got it back and they had fixed an extractor problem, but the warm fuzzy never developed and so I sold it and got an HK93 instead (which has been flawless). With the MP, S&W completely replaced my frame to resolve the automatic self-ejection of magazines on each shot but, again, the warm fuzzy is just not there so I convinced the wife to get me an XD45 Service for Christmas to become my new CCW. It too has been flawless so far.



Others on here have had no problems and are completely happy with their MP's while disliking thier XD's, so YMMV.
 

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just sold my XD. they are good guns but have a little more recoil than comparable makes. also the grip tang is at a really sharp angle and slams into my thumb joint when firing one handed...ouch. plus the factory guide rod assembly is horrible. other than that, they are great guns.
 

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nikon777 said:
[XD's] ... have a little more recoil than comparable makes. also the grip tang is at a really sharp angle and slams into my thumb joint when firing one handed...ouch.
See what I mean by "YMMV"?
I have the exact opposite experience -- It is my perception that my XD45 Service has LESS muzzle flip than either my MP40 or my HK USPf 45.



I do, however, find the front and back grip stippling on the XD45 to be rather harsh. I don't have the thumb joint issue nikon has with it, but that "grenade stippling" does make its presence known on my palm and fingers after a 100 or so rounds (compared side-by-side with my XD9, the stippling on the 45 is noticeably "harsher" feeling to me -- they are NOT the same). Other XD45 owners on the net have said they don't feel any difference.



So, all we're doing is proving that each individual firearm is indeed a unique individual machine mated with much more unique humans.
 

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Guide rod springs can be changed. Not a big deal there though. I've heard better reports on the Tactical models of the XD's compared with the service ones (4") when it comes to guide rods.
 

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just got back form the range shooting the XD and the M&P and i have to stick with my previous post

i just dont like the grip on the M&P to me it is not all the comfortable
 
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