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Ive been reading these boards for some time now. But finally registered today. I seen in another post about magazines and loading them. That you and your son was out shooting. You with a M&P9 and your son with a G19. Whats your son think of the M&P? How does it compare to the G19? Now i understand that im on a forum thats dedicated to the M&Ps. So i expect favortism. But for me, if someone comes to Glocktalk and asks a question...ill give an honest question.



There has been some companies that made pistols that are comparable to Glocks. But most dont beat it in every way. Either they are cheaper, fire well but have finish problems. Or some other reason. Some are trickier to tear completely down...or swap a part on their own. Glock is just plain simple and does what its supposed to do.



Now S&W came out with a fine firearm from what i see. Seems fairly simple to tear down...but have no experience on it. The finish is Melonite...same process as Glocks...just a different name. Its a Nitrateing process and thats a good thing. As a bonus...seems smith is going with stainless steel over carbon...so another good thing.



So to make the story short...what did your son think? Are there honest to god Glock lovers here, that own an M&P and have some good reviews of the M&P?
 

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Okay ganesh -- First I need to qualify everything I write that both my son and I are new to owning hanguns. Therefore, we don't have much experience to be offering advice to others. He bought his Glock 19 a few weeks before we both saw the M&P at a local sporting goods store while we were there together. We were both impressed by the M&P and he even stated that had he known about the S&W gun, he might have made another choice. I had looked at several other brands of autos including Glock, CZ Springfield and Ruger. For me, the decision was alnost instant when I had the M&P in my hand, a sensation others on this forum have offered as a good way to choose a handgun (how does it feel?).



I have to also confess that I did not buy the gun at my local sport store because at the time I saved around 100 bucks by purchasing online from Bud's. That deal of $369 ay Bud's seems to be disappearing rapidly. Understand also that as I write this, I've only had the gun for six days and have shot it only during one range session. How did I do? I think the gun is a lot better than I am.



I've also shot my son's Glock and liked it a lot. I know others on this forum have a lot more experience than I do but since you referred to me, I decided to weigh in with my brief experience.

 

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I'll weigh in. I own both a Glock 22 and a M&P40. The Glock is an excellent pistol, and it does everything that I could ask of it.



However, I like the M&P better. The M&P, IMO, has a better trigger, a better grip, better sights, and a more pleasing look. The big disadvantage over the Glock the M&P has is the lack of holsters and accessories on the market for it right now. Hopefully that will change.



I'm a reserve police officer with a department where I provide my own duty weapons. I have two that I tend to switch back and forth between. One is a S&W 4566TSW, the other is the Glock 22. The only reason I didn't go with the M&P40 over the Glock is the lack of duty holsters on the market at the moment. When qualification rolls around again, if there are some holsters for the M&P on the market I like, I will probably be switching to the M&P and leaving the Glock for home defense and shooting on the range.



The Glock is excellent, but IMO, the M&P is an improvement on it.
 

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Just chiming in, I have never owned a glock, and don't plan to only because of the trigger.



I owned an XD 40 before the M&P, actually 4 of them, 2 service, one 5" and one compact. I made the change cause it felt better, and after bringing it home it shot better. I promptly sold the XD that I had left, cause I knew I'd never shoot it again.



My suggestion to you is to try them both out, being going to a shop that rents or friends. I have let others shoot mine to see how they like it also.

They both are outstanding pistols, and I feel the glockers are starting to be outdated by comfort and physical as well as visual features. I thing that if glock was trying to keep up with the times they wouldn't even have to sweat the compitition.



As is, M&P obviously has my vote, but if glock stepped up to the plate with a better pistol I might be suggesting otherwise.



BTW another reason that I moved from the XD was lack of replacement parts on the market(they don't sell them) and brownells already has parts for the M&P.
 

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Thanks for the info....Actually, i love the G19s and G26s... My question really wasnt trying to sell me between the two. More of a question on what reasons should i now buy an M&P. Personally i love the feel of the 9mm family of glocks. Not so for the larger sized tho. The polished trigger seems to take alot away that most seem to not care for.



Ive only handled a full sized M&P once. And i seem to like it as much as my 9mm glocks. Hows the M&Ps doing when used for dry firing? Anything that us Glockers do that would be considered a possible no no for the M&Ps? Im really interested...not tryin to blow smoke. Im always on the lookout for a new "baby". But at the moment, if im gonna get another 9mm, it will have to be able to replace the two previously mentioned glocks without a second thought. And no, im not saying ill get rid of those two either. Interested on how they will be in the long term. :wink:



By the way...you might want to give Comp Tac a call. If they dont have a holster, they may make one for ya. They have done so for a few Glockers in the past...worth a try. :wink:
 

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Well, I've shot a bunch of glocks, but just couldn't bring myself to actually ever own one. Of all the glocks I like the g19 the best.



Things I can say are definitely better about the M&P vs. the G19.



Objective advantages/disadvantages:



1)The grip. Outside of subjective ergonomics, you can adjust the grip, the beavertail gives more control, and the grip tapers than flares near the bottom. So in only 1/4" more height, you have a grip that doesn't bite you on reloads. At the match I attended last month, one of the g19 shooters got some flesh between the mag and the gun on a reload. He MADE it seat, then went off to clean up the blood after that course of fire. If you have big hands, or just meaty palms, the G19 bites you often on reloads.



2) sights. They are just nicer sights that are fit to the slide in a better manner. Glock cheaps out on sights.



3) Magazines. They are steel, so more capacity in less space. They are also just plain smoother when performing a reload.



4) Slide release. At least the new improved extended version. It's better than either the glock flush slide stop, or the glock extended slide stop. It's also on both sides of the gun.



5) mag catch. It's reversible for the left hand crowd.



6) Disassembly. You have the option of a method that doesn't risk an ND, and even if you choose the less safe method, the takedown lever is still easier to operate than the little serrated metal bits in a glock.



7) Stainless construction.



8) Fully supported chamber in .40 S&W. It's a good thing.



Subjective advantages:



1) grip angle. More 1911-like, which pleases a lot of people who normally don't like glocks. If you find glocks point better for you than anything else, then it is probably not an advantage.



2) grip material. I like the material of the backstraps. Has just enough give and traction to it to feel "right."



3) Trigger. Out of the box, it's smoother and crisper than a glock trigger. Most people I've run into, me included, think the box stock trigger with some lube is about on par with a g34/35. Since the M&P is 6.5lbs vs. the G34/35's 3.5lbs, that's saying something.



4) contour of the grip. Makes it fit more people's hands.



5) control locations. The placement of the controls is just better for more people than the glock. Especially the mag catch.



That's about all I can think of. About the only real item to compare that is yet to be determined is durability. The M&P has had a few growing pains, but no worse than the first glocks. Only time will tell.
 

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I own a G19 and picked up my first MP9 Saturday. After shooting the MP I've put my G19 up for sale. The MP is that good. The thing that's always bothered me about the Glock is the steep grip angle and checkering on the backstrap hump. I recently had $200 worth of grip reduction so it would point correctly and shoot better for me. Which is does, it's a great pistol for carry since it's so lightweight. But the recoil isn't near as smooth as the MP or my Sig, less flip too. The MP grip with small insert is so much more comfortable and secure in my hands. The MP points correctly, no grip work needed. MP comes with better sights, mag release is better as is the slide release. The biggest reason I stayed with Glock all these years was the tenifer treatment and it's simplicity, not to mention customer service. The MP is the first pistol to match Glock IMO, and for less money. I'm a 10yr hardcore Glock fan and this is my honest opinion.
 

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I like the M&P grip angle better than the Glock. I like the trigger better than the Glock. Its pretty good, probably the best or one of the best striker fired triggers. However, compared to a 1911, the trigger is taking some adjustment to get used to. I'm not as accurate with it as I am with my 1911. I'm not saying it should be as good as a 1911 as the former is better by design, but 1911 shooters might be attracted to the M&P because it does seem similar to a 1911. I'm giving it more time for the adjustment, but I may be going back to the 1911 for competition just because of the trigger.
 

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I have owned most every model glock at one time or another. A little bit of trigger work makes a big difference but not much can be done about the fit. For now, my primary carry gun is a g31. I have a g22 barrel and 9mm conversion barrel for it. I like the diversity that comes with that caliber. When I can get other barrels for my MP40 it will become my primary handgun and I plan to sell the g31. The MP has a better fit for me and a smoother function. I also have a 1911 and prefer to keep the same grip angle.
 

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Springfield doesn't sell parts for the XD, but I understand that when you send the gun in, they fix it and return it quickly.
 

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same thing smith does, but say your at a match, and need that striker or ejector that you broke... WOW here it is in my bag, where is the XD your done for the day.
 

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same thing smith does, but say your at a match, and need that striker or ejector that you broke... WOW here it is in my bag, where is the XD your done for the day.


I know, and they need to change their policy on that.
 
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