choochboost said:About Extreme Shok, they are total garbage, they only work on ninjas and terrorists.
The Extreme Shock ammo makes a couple of claims and we will look at the results. Please allow me to "paraphrase" some claims.
1. Claim: Their rounds are supposed to penetrate walls less than standard ammo.
Findings: The Fang Face penetrated 11 drywall boards, or over 5 interior walls without expanding or fragmenting. The Air Freedom round penetrated 4 boards, or 2 walls.
Less than a standard JHP round which penetrated all 12 boards, but still some penetration.
2. Claim: They are supposed to be able to penetrate a bad guy enough to be effective Stoppers.
Findings: Both the Fang Face and Air Freedom rounds only fully penetrated 1 jug and slightly entered the second jug.
This is equilivant of 3 or 4 inches of penetration in ballistic gelatin. Some experts have doubts that this is enough penetration to reach the vital organs of a bad guy.
3. Claim: They are advertised as worth their cost.
Finding: The cost for this ammo averaged about $1.85 per round, delivered. I see this as a big problem with "Specialty" ammo. We all know that it is very important to function test any carry ammo through your firearm. Who will or can afford to run 50 or 100 rounds of this stuff through a firearm to be sure it functions without a hitch?
Even if someone buys enough ammo to fill their magazine, it is unlikely that they will thoroughly test the functionality of the ammo.
I'm sure this ammo costs a lot to manufacture. Is it worth the cost? You be the judge. One thing for sure…..Shooting stuff is fun. Smilie
G56 said:If you want recommendations, this page includes 45 acp:
When shooting through clothing the question is not whether the round will penetrate it is will it expand. I wouldn't change ammo based on seasons. Good ammo should work at any time of year.tsix said:I understand the over penetration statement, that is probably a more accurate question. I live in North Florida and most of the year light clothing is what most people wear. Would I want to swap out ammo based on the season due to heavier clothing, or is a standard remington JHP 230 gr. good enuf? I guess I can't fathom someone being shot with a .45 bullet of any kind and not wanting to rethink their decisions.
tsix said:[quote name='G56']If you want recommendations, this page includes 45 acp:
Gold Dots are found in many gun shops, Federal Tactical and HST can be found at www.mahsupplies.net along with the Ranger T-series loads. Corbon DPX can be purchased from Corbon's website.tsix said:I was unable to find any of the recommended ammo.
Me too.Rundel said:I have never had to shoot anyone with it, I hope I never do.
So which is it? You have confidence in this round because you say you have experience with it, yet you find comfort in an air bag you have not used?Then again, I have never had my airbag go off in my car, I hope I never do but I'm glad its there.
For those who would criticize without actual experience, I consider this the same as condemning a book before ever reading it. They know not of what they speak.
But its still useful in case you are ever attacked by a human. http://h1.ripway.com/choochboost/Geltestsh...correlation.pdfSteelshooter said:This is all very useful information in case I am ever attacked by a block of gelatin.