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Final - UPDATE FROM S&W - Compact rusting / defective sl

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Well, my Father graciously adorned me with a brand new M&P 40c. just a few short weeks ago. I quickly purchased a Comp-tac C-T.A.C. Kydex holster and had it delivered only a day after my .40 arrived. I've been carrying it 100% of the time for about two weeks now. I rehab houses so I manual labor at times. I also live in South Texas where it's hot and humid. This all to say that my new pride and joy is rusting on me! The funny thing is I previously carried a Sig228 and never had the problem. Granted I carried the sig in leather IWB so my sweat never touched the gun...I don't think.



It's a bumer to me that I my new M&P is going to be high maintenance. I've already spoke to S&W and they are sending me a shipping label so they can "Inspect" the gun. I'll keep you all posted on what they say. When I get the gun back, I'm going to purchase a cochise defender in the hopes that it doesn't hold the moisture like the kydex does. And after carrying the kydex, I'm leaning back to the leather as It's more comfortable to me anyhow.



These pictures are of my gun after the third rusting. This third rusting is the most mild of the three. I was disillusioned the first two times and wiped the gun off thinking it couldn't be rust. Alas, I was wrong




















PART TWO *******************************************************



So the UPS guy shows up at about 6pm tonight after waiting for 15 days for my .40c. I was excited to say the least. The paper stated that they replaced my slide and it passed 'the' test. Most unfortunate was the fact they either didn't even look at the slide they sent me or didn't care that it was poor craftsmanship. I got a bad slide. My next move will be to write Smith and email asking them to send me a new slide and upon arrival, I'll send them their paperweight back. I don't want to wait another 15 days for my gun to come back again. We'll see if they tell me to stick it or if they go ahead with it. Heck, I'll even offer to give the my credit card number so they can charge me should I not return the metal they sent me. Of course I will return it either way. Here's the pics.


































So the UPS guy came again today, August 7th. The slide looks great. Again it took roughly 15 days for the turn around so I was out my pistol a month total.
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Re: Compact .40 is rusting after only 2 weeks of IWB carry.

Ruprex said:
When I get the gun back, I'm going to purchase a cochise defender in the hopes that it doesn't hold the moisture like the kydex does.
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You got that backwards.



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Leather will rust your weapon faster than Kydex if I am not mistaken... That why my father always told me never to store a weapon in leather. Also if you were to stop sweating that would good too... :wink:
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1. Some peoples sweat is more corrosive than others.



2. You should wipe your gun down at night with a silicone cloth anyway if u know you sweat a lot.
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I don't blame you for being upset that your Melonite slide is rusting after a couple of weeks.

Does the slide come in direct contact with your skin?

Do you use CLP or some other protective coating on your firearm?



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As already mentioned, wipe it down once a day with a silicone cloth...no more rust
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Sorry to hear about your problem.



A good quality leather holster is sealed so sweat is less of a problem. I would wipe it down with a oil rage.
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nunnya said:
I don't blame you for being upset that your Melonite slide is rusting after a couple of weeks.

Does the slide come in direct contact with your skin?

Do you use CLP or some other protective coating on your firearm?



Thanks,

nunnya
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I recently purchased a bottle of Ezzox (do a search here and see for yourself why I believe it's the best form of liquid protectant) and will treat my pistols with that from now on. However, when I get my smith back, I intend to carry it, as usual, IWB with no treatment. If it rusts again on me, I will probably have all exterior metal treated with rogard and interior with NP3 This because I do not want to field strip my weapon every day and wipe it down with something. My feelings are I should be able to carry the sidearm, sweat or not for weeks without having to do anything to it but blow my shirt lint off of it. I don't want it to be a hassle, I want it to be a pleasure.



To answer the above question, no...the pistol does not come into direct contact with my skin. I used only Remoil on the pistol previous to it rusting. However, I had the gun only 3 weeks. So I really didn't even get the chance to break it in. Never did I imagine it would rust in that time frame.



To argue the Leather vs. Kydex...I know from my own experience that the Kydex 'sweats' in humid areas such as S. Texas. I also know from my own experience that the leather does not. One may arge that Kydex does not hold the moisture like leather does but first one has to get the inside of the leather holster moist. In that case, the leather would most definetly hold the moisture far more than the kydex. So in that regard, I do not have it backwards. I don't sweat all that much, my leather holster may get some moisture on the outside but, from my own experience carrying my Sig in leather (and we all know the finish on a M&P is far more superior to the Sig) it does not see moisture on the inside from my body sweat nor the humidity. So I strongly feel, taking my climate and body sweat into consideration, leather will work better for me.



Now for the update...Smith sent me a return lable and I sent them the gun:



Type: Package

Status: Delivered

Delivered On: 07/05/2007 9:06 A.M.

Signed By: GONZALS

Location: RECEIVER

Delivered To: SPRINGFIELD, MA, US

Service: NEXT DAY AIR



I have not yet had my pistol returned nor have I heard anything from Smith regarding the issue. I have no idea what they will do for me but I'll keep you posted.



Meanwhile, I am carrying my Sig228 IWB in a Leather holster with out fail.
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nunnya said:
I don't blame you for being upset that your Melonite slide is rusting after a couple of weeks.

Does the slide come in direct contact with your skin?

Do you use CLP or some other protective coating on your firearm?



Thanks,

nunnya
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Melonite is a hardener and doesn't have anti-corrosive properties. S&W uses a SS slide to fight corrosion.
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Melonite is a hardener and doesn't have anti-corrosive properties. S&W uses a SS slide to fight corrosion.
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What is SS Slide?
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Stainless Steel
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Melonite does add anti-corrosive properties to steel; but it does not add anti-corrosive properties to stainless steel.
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I found rust on the serrated part of the slide and on the rear sight of my M&P this weekend. I dont carry mine on me, just under the seat in my truck with a padded nylon holster. My heart sank and I was quite embarrased when I pulled out my new pistol to show a friend and seen a pretty good amount of rust on it. I wish I would have taken pics now but was so freaked out that I cleaned it with an oily rag before thinking about it. Guess I'm gonna have to start watching it closely. I had it out last weekend to show somebody and thier was no sign of it at all, and I've cleaned and oiled the thing after both times I've had it out shooting. I'm pretty bummed. I like this gun a hell of a lot better than my glock but the glock never rusted and I took less care of it than this. Hope it dont come back.
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The padded nylon holster might be the culprit.
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binkerton said:
I found rust on the serrated part of the slide and on the rear sight of my M&P this weekend. I dont carry mine on me, just under the seat in my truck with a padded nylon holster. My heart sank and I was quite embarrased when I pulled out my new pistol to show a friend and seen a pretty good amount of rust on it. I wish I would have taken pics now but was so freaked out that I cleaned it with an oily rag before thinking about it. Guess I'm gonna have to start watching it closely. I had it out last weekend to show somebody and thier was no sign of it at all, and I've cleaned and oiled the thing after both times I've had it out shooting. I'm pretty bummed. I like this gun a hell of a lot better than my glock but the glock never rusted and I took less care of it than this. Hope it dont come back.
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Use Eezox instead of oil. You'll be cleaning the rust off less.
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thats bs

What the hell is stainless steel for if it rust so easy?? I can understand if its been exposed to water, but to rust when left in a holster in a truck? Not acceptable for the price of these pistols. Well I do have an m&p9 and was thinking of getting the m&p40c ,but this just may change my mind on that.



I live in Florida and humidity is always high.
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Re: thats bs

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What the hell is stainless steel for if it rust so easy?? I can understand if its been exposed to water, but to rust when left in a holster in a truck? Not acceptable for the price of these pistols. Well I do have an m&p9 and was thinking of getting the m&p40c ,but this just may change my mind on that.



I live in Florida and humidity is always high.
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So, you live in a high humidity area and already have an M&P. Has it rusted? If your answer is no does that influence your decision regarding a .40?



I paid one he!! of a lot more for my Pickup Truck and it has some rust spots on the undercarraige. Should I sue Ford? :twisted:
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1.) Never said anything about sueing anyone did I?



2.) Owned the M&P for less then a month so I hope it's not rusting yet.



3.) If I paid thousands for a truck and I found rust on it while it was relatively new, I would not only be pissed, but I wouldn't ever buy that make of truck again.



Not a M&P basher here guy, enjoy the gun very much and have had zero problems with it in the 500 rounds I put thropugh it. But with materials of today one shouldn't have to worry about their tools of trade rusting without heavy maintenance. More things to do with my time then to oil my $500 gun everyweek to keep it in working order and looking good.
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Re: thats bs

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newgunner said:
I paid one he!! of a lot more for my Pickup Truck and it has some rust spots on the undercarraige. Should I sue Ford? :twisted:
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No cause they let you know there will be problems right in the name of their products.



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I agree..........thats not my quote by the way, so I don't know why it says otherwise.
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