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I have both and it's a blast to shoot and stupid light. The Secret Service are carrying the 5.7 cause it's deadly accurate and holds so much. Recoil is like a .22 it's a lot of fun to shoot just expensive ammo and your thumb hurts if you don't use a loader


Plus you get 3 mags so you can walk around with 60 ready to go, but a box of ammo won't fill you up haha. P90 is loads of fun as well and 1 box = 1 mag.





 

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Yes, come check out the FN Forum.



I have the PS90 - it is super fun. I took my sister in law out shooting for the 1st time in her life today (wife can't go because she is pregnant). Anyway, she has never touched a gun before. We started with the PS90, and she really enjoyed it




U can fine ammo for $17 or so online if U look hard enough.
 

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SS192 armor piercing is like $150 a box but they had it at the stuff for $80 a box @ the Gun Show recently.
 

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I have one of these pistols and love it. Super high capacity, very light and easy to manage recoil. Unfortunately it is catching a lot of heat as a "cop killer". Supposedly it will penetrate class 3 body armor. At any rate, I try to buy a couple boxes of ammo everytime I'm in Cabelas to keep the reserves up as you can smoke through a box of ammo in two and a half mags.



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another minnesotan

wow yet another minnesotan. I may be stationed in GA because of the army but the first 16 years of my life was spent in good ol mankato!!! I have been missing the vikings training camps lately but I guess you cannot call that missing if they havent been playing
 

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Man , I love my Five Seven. I have actually carried it before... Very slim and EXTREMELY light. Knowing you have 21 rnds available really makes you feel good about it. Things I could do without, or change would be the safety and the trigger. Everything else is absolute money.
 

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finalfusion said:
Now that FN just looks evil!!! very nice! :twisted:


Doesn't it though... WICKED EVIL
 

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Ballistics similar to .22WMR. Horrible for game time, but fun to shoot. More to follow.



DocGKR's take on the 5.7 round:



Other than being able to perforate soft body armor, the 5.7 x 28 mm used in the FN P90, as well as the 4.6 x 30 mm fired from the HK MP7 cause wounds less incapacitating than those made by 9 mm FMJ fired from a pistol.

I have personally fired the 5.7 x 28 mm FN P-90; velocity, penetration, and tissue destruction is like a .17 Hornet--far less than we see with 75 gr TAP or 77 MK out of our M4’s. Winchester RA45T 230 gr JHP’s fired from our duty 1911’s crush more tissue and penetrate further than the 5.7 x 28 mm. Use of the 5.7 x 28 mm is a good way to ensure mission failure.

Several papers have described the incredibly poor terminal performance of projectiles fired by the FN P90.

--Dahlstrom D, Powley K, and Gordon C: “Wound Profile of the FN Cartridge (SS 190) Fired from the FN P90 Submachine Gun". Wound Ballistic Review. 4(3):21-26; Spring 2000.

--Fackler M: "Errors & Omissions", Wound Ballistic Review. 1(1):46; Winter 1991.

--Fackler M: "More on the Bizarre Fabrique National P-90", Wound Ballistic Review. 3(1):44-45; 1997.

--FBI Academy Firearms Training Unit. FBI Handgun Ammunition Tests 1989-1995. Quantico, U.S. Department of Justice--Federal Bureau of Investigation.

--Hayes C: “Personal Defense Weapons—Answer in Search of a Question”, Wound Ballistic Review. 5(1):30-36; Spring 2001.

--Roberts G: “Preliminary Evaluation of the Terminal Performance of the 5.7 x 28 mm 23 Grain FMJ Bullet Fired by the New FN P-90 , Using 10% Ordnance Gelatin as a Tissue Simulant”, AFTE Journal. 30(2):326-329, Spring 1998.

--Roberts G: “Terminal Performance of the 5.7 x 28 mm 31 Grain SS-190 FMJ Bullet Fired by the FN P-90 in 10% Ordnance Gelatin.”, AFTE Journal. In Press.

The early 5.7 x 28 mm 23 gr FMJ bullet fired by the FN P-90 had insufficient penetration for law enforcement and military use. The current 31 gr SS-190 FMJ bullet has nearly adequate penetration, but the wound resulting from this projectile has a relatively small permanent crush cavity, as well as an insignificant temporary stretch cavity. Although the 5.7 x 28 mm penetrates soft body armor, wounding potential is at best like a .22 LR or .22 Magnum. Even 9mm NATO FMJ makes a larger wound--and we are all aware of the awe inspiring incapacitation potential of M882 ball from the M9......

It is all basic physics and physiology. Look at the surface areas in contact with tissue for 9 mm FMJ and JHP compared to 5.7 mm. When both are point forward, the 9 mm FMJ crushes more tissue than the 5.7 mm; for the short time that the 5.7 mm is at FULL yaw, it crushes a bit more tissue than the 9 mm FMJ. At no time does the 5.7 mm crush more tissue than the expanded 9 mm JHP--even when the 5.7 mm FMJ is at full yaw, an expanded 9 mm JHP crushes more tissue. The relatively small temporary cavities produced by both the 9 mm and 5.7 mm projectiles are not likely to cause significant injury to the majority of elastic structures of the body. As with any penetrating projectile, if either a 9 mm or 5.7 mm bullet is ideally placed to cause significant damage to the CNS or major cardiovascular organs, a fatal result is likely.







The P90 can definitely penetrate soft body armor, but then so can 9 mm AP rounds. The greater momentum of 9 mm bullets allow them to defeat vehicles and other intermediate barriers better than the 5.7 mm bullets. Standard 9 mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP JHP loads crush more tissue, offer ideal penetration, and are equally likely to not exit the opponent as the 5.7 mm. 5.56 mm and 6.8 mm weapons offer significantly superior terminal effects compared to 5.7 mm. Bottom line—what does the P90 offer that is not already available? The best uses for the P90 might be for executive protection details where the threat is expected to be wearing body armor and perhaps as a PDW for vehicle crew and pilots.


Again the above are all Doc's findings, quoted from another forum.



I have NO real world experience with the round or the weapons themselves, and no horse in the race either. All I can offer is to regurgitate the experiences of people who have used the combo, and are extremely disappointed in the terminal effects of the round. There are instances of people being shot 10-12 times and then giving up, and living through the ordeal....more then one instance actually. If its a fun gun, go for it, if its a potential carry piece, I urge you to pass...
 

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I once field stripped the FN Five-Seven at a gun shop and it didn't seem to be very sturdily made.

Maybe the round doesn't stress the gun much, so it doesn't need to be, but still, it seemed a little on the fragile side to me.
 

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Shot one for the first time this weekend and t was a blast to shoot! Some guy had one at Shooters Express outside of Charlotte and let me have a go at it. When I first picked it up I didn't expect it to be so lightweight.......doesn't weigh much at all! I took aim at the "bad guy" target set up at 15 yards....a quick 5 shot burst later and the "bad guy" had a bad day with 5 tightly clustered shots to the nose!!! Now I want one for myself. I understand ammo is expensive, but it was fun to shoot and easy to hit with.
 

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Here's mine, it's a blast to shoot indoors. Louad bang and flash but very little recoil. My local range wont let me shoot it anymore for fear of "damage" to the backplate (bull). So I take it to my club upstate in the outdoors. It shoots straight and accurate at 50 yards.[/img][/url]
 

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This forum is a little old but thought I would add my 2 cents.

I also have a Five Seven for a little over a year now. I love it. I bought some extra mags and even got some 10 round extensions for it making it a 30rd mag. I'll throw up some photos with the 30 rd mags. Really doesn't add any extra weight to the gun. Its already so light. Fully loaded it weighs less than my M&P 357 does empty.**Also does anyone know if the Uplula will load the Five Seven mags?

Enjoy the pics













 
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