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This type of question goes around the gun forums from time to time and last night I was thinking about what I would grab if I had limited time, limited space, wanted to get out of town and figured it might be for quite awhile. Trying to keep it relatively short I'd grab:



1. Bushmaster M4 Carbine - For ammo commonality, and medium distance defense

2. M&P 9 Fullsize - My go to gun

3. M&P 9 Compact - My back up, able to share mags with primary gun

4. Remington 870 Pump - Up close and reliable

5. H&K USP 40 Compact - Because 40 ammo will be easy to find and it's the only 40 I own



Five non firearm items:

1. Bottled water or water purification tabs

2. Power bars

3. Good knife

4. Flashlight, batteries

5. Appropriate clothes



How about you?





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I think you need to lose at least 2 of those firearms. Maybe three. Because only a Mall Ninja thinks he's going to carry all that down the road in a crisis.



If you own someplace that your bugging out to..I suppose pre positioning the rest of the guns would be okay.



If you goal is bug out survival and not thinking your going to be Joe Military Contractor/ Militiaman fighting in Stalingrad like conflict against the government...Then really a good 5.56 rifle that is either small enough or can be broken down to fit in a gym bag or backpack...and that 9c or compact H&K .40 is all you need.



This bizarre idea so many people seem to have. That they must carry several extra 9mm pistols along with a pistol of a larger caliber. Because 9mm is the Military's caliber and in some post apocalyptic fantasy land the military is going to be passing out crates of 9mm to every civilian that has his hand out is ludicrous.



Most of the military (Especially state side units) don't carry pistols at all unless their MP's or Air Police. The idea that your going to be able to top off your pistol mags from the bodies of dead soldiers lying everywhere along the side of the road is ridiculous as well.



Pick a common pistol caliber...9mm, .45, .40, .357 and stock pile ammo of your chosen caliber at your bug out location. Enroute...Carry a half dozen magazines for your rifle and your handgun...Because frankly. No matter how much of a bad ass you think you are...If you get into any trouble that requires more than three magazines from either your primary or secondary weapon...You chances of surviving to reach you bug out dwindle to almost zero.
 

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I also have this theory that all you'll have to do if you want a tier 1 AR-15 on day 5 of the crisis...Is walk down the ditch of a major road and look in the bushes real good...



Because I thoroughly believe there will be all kinds of $2000.00+ LaRue and MagPul'ed out AR's laying in the bushes...Tossed and abandoned there by Country Club Commado's, Walther Mitty's and Survival Forum Rambo's. For whom reality stepped up and quickly overpowered their SHTF fantasy of walking around with a big obvious, EBR 24/7.
 

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My lastrook, are you always a jerk?



I was thinking more in terms of going to a Uncle or friends cabin in the mountains to see what happens, not in terms of I'm looking for a firefight because I'm a mall ninja or a country club commando. Also who the heck said anything about carrying it down the road, how about I'm packing the essentials in my SUV along with my family and heading out. I don't believe I said anything about picking ammo off of dead soldiers who carry 9mm's either.



Having the same pistols wasn't referring to I've fired so many times I need to go to my back up it was in terms the person I'm traveling with to reach our destination may need a gun and commonality might be a good thing.



Clearly you're way cooler and have more knowledge than I so I'll just hope we end up on the same island so I can learn from awesome wisdom.



Great way to become part of the community Newb.



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My lastrook, are you always a jerk?



I was thinking more in terms of going to a Uncle or friends cabin in the mountains to see what happens, not in terms of I'm looking for a firefight because I'm a mall ninja or a country club commando. Also who the heck said anything about carrying it down the road, how about I'm packing the essentials in my SUV along with my family and heading out. I don't believe I said anything about picking ammo off of dead soldiers who carry 9mm's either.



Having the same pistols wasn't referring to I've fired so many times I need to go to my back up it was in terms the person I'm traveling with to reach our destination may need a gun and commonality might be a good thing.



Clearly you're way cooler and have more knowledge than I so I'll just hope we end up on the same island so I can learn from awesome wisdom.



Great way to become part of the community Newb.

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I have most everything I need in go bags. I also plan on using my truck in the meltdown so I took extra.

1 FAL 1500 Rd's south African ball

2 Savage Model 10 tac 308. 500 Rd's Maine car. co. match 308

3 Winchester 1300 250 Rd's buckshot

4 M&P 9 2500 Rd's wwb

5 M&P 9c

6 2 5 gal cans water and kaydanan water filter

7 2 cases MREs and mis mt house meals

8 Israeli gas Mask and us chem suits for family

9 BDUs for family

10 TLR-1s G3 G2 nitrolon 250 batteries

11 miscellaneous knifes



This may seem excessive but when you keep a truck ready for such an occasion you can take what you need. ( I drive a company truck daily so my personal truck just sets around in the garage with all of above in it, except to guns of course.
 

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Good luck guy's. I am already in the boonies and plan on bugging in, not out. Be carefull if approaching my driveway.
 

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Answer these questions for me and then I'll tell you what I'd do.



What's the situation, why are you leaving and where are you going? Are we talking about a weather event, invasion, financial collapse, EMP/solar flare? What's the advantage of leaving instead of staying put? Do you have supplies cached where you are headed? How do you plan to get there? On foot or by car? Will gas be available? How about cash? What will you be wearing - military or civilian clothing? How do you plan to transport your above list - backpack? Do you have items to barter with? Is the electrical grid up? Are there massive traffic jams? How far away is your destination? How long can you survive before re-supplying? What type of shelter are you bringing? What season is it? What about tools for vehicle and gun maintenance...or building a shelter? What size city are you trying to escape? What type of terrain are we talking about? You said you'd be gone "quite a while" but you only list Power Bars as food? Do you have a team of people with you or waiting at your destination. Or do you plan to go it alone?



I'm sure there are many other questions to be considered, but what I'm getting at is this - there are a lot of people that imagine they could survive in some sort of Mad Max like existance where they scavenge and live off the land. Maybe they think they'll just head up to the mountains with 72 hours worth of MREs and some water... figure it out after that. That's a suicide mission in most SHTF situations Maybe that line of thinking works for a short term evacuation due to a hurricane, but not much else. I'd be willing to bet there are others who are way ahead of you both in terms of knowledge and preperations.



In almost all situations I think your best bet is to stay home, keep a low profile, and look after your family.
 

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for those of us in cities, bugging out is probably not going to be possible. the roads are packed during rush hour; i hardly think they'd be passable during some major event. it might be possible after a day or two, but i have to think if the situation is bad enough where you think you have to leave town, after a couple of days you'll be dead anyway.
 

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unless your looking at a full blown invasion/revolution/civil war/ or E.L.E , theres really not much point in heading for the hills. just keep a cellar or garage stocked with 6-12 months worth of non parishable food items and a few dozen cases of bottled water and dig in.



if your not sure how to do that...ask a Mormon...they been hording food items for years and are quite good at it.



a 6k to 10k generator and 55+ gallons of gas linked into it ( genny in a very good baffle box so its not that noticable ) and/or solar setup for your house (depending on your location).



the benifits of staying put....... you have access to ALOT more ammo/food/water and if done right you can make your home "look" uninhabited, and you can keep the access points restricted and gaurded.



in the unlikely event of the full blown invasion/revolution/civil war/ or E.L.E, just bend over and kiss yer arse goodbye cause theres nothing you can do about it. Leaving or staying put....your still going to die
 

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... In almost all situations I think your best bet is to stay home, keep a low profile, and look after your family.




That's what i was thinking. The main danger in a societal meltdown will be that while the cops and NGs are busy protecting their families our neighborhoods will be at the mercy of armed roving bands of marauders (not UN troops or black helicopters) looking for alcohol, prescription meds, young women, ammo and food. These marauder's movements will be brutish so therefore easier to predict and plan for.



Our neighbors will be our first line of defence and we will be theirs. Safety in numbers. Stick together, tough it out, elect leaders, distribute extra firearms, man watches, those with much food assist those with less, etc., etc.



Headin' fer the hills may (theoretically) keep one away from danger but eventually y'all will have to come back down and the chances are good that you will find your neighbors had fought it out and came out on top. And not because they had black guns, Special Ops gear and MREs but because they effectively utilized what they already had (canned goods and shotguns, for instance) and joined with their neighbors for the common defence.



Evolution, we all appreciate your concern and planning but neighborhood defence committees may be you and your family's better bet, given the scenario described above is most likely to occur.





Best Wishes,

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1. 2 M4 Carbine - ammo can with 36 loaded mags

2. xd tactical .45 - with 1000 rds in ammo can as side arm

3. Glock 22 - My back up 500 rds



Five non firearm items:

1. Bottled water 5 gal drums

2. Ensures

3. Good knife

4. Flashlights, batteries

5. Appropriate clothes

6. Soap

7. Hand Sanatizer

8. Meds
 

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http://zombiehunters.org/forum/ wealth of knowledge here on bugging out bugging in. Dont knock the name they prep for all kinds of diasters even if some are ficitous
I disagree with the "Get out of town" mode. In my opinion, if the economy goes bust and civil disobedience evolves it will be important to start forming alliances with your neighbors. Join with your neighbors in order to return civility to your community. Doing the old "go out in the woods and hide" will only delay the inevitable down the road. Returning civility to community, town, city, state and nation as soon as possible is very important to ones long term survival. Yes, one must accumulate tools in order to accomplish the civility mode. In the mean time, register to vote, get involved in your local government and vote in November. Have a great day.
 
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