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I bought my now retired father a 40c a month ago, now he has decided to sell the farm, house, cat and move to "Bear Country." Literally, Northern Idaho has to many bears to count, and he is avid fly fisherman so you get were I am going with this. I am looking at a 460, or 500 Emergency kit. Could I have your feedback on the items. Especially a place to get a decent price, my God, they are expensive. The bad part he likes the 40c and wont give it up, so I now need come up with some serious cash.



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I thought I'd post over here.




I've never shot a bigger revolver than a 45LC so I have no direct experience. I have read a lot though and people seem to be less unhappy wih the Ruger Alaskan than all of the others. Get the 460 if you want (44 mag seems to be more obtainable). Ballistics are good (not sure about exact comparison with the 500 tho). How big are these bears?

44 mag is enough to stop smaller bears (I think, never tried) and the ammo would be cheaper/easier to find.

Just a thought.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=237206

this is one of the many THR threads about big bore revos.[/quote]
 

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I have a 500mag although it is the big 10.5 PC version but if I were going into Bear country into their natural hunting ground (the stream) it is for darn certain that I would take a 500.



The 460s are nice guns but I really think they need the longer barrels to be effective since they rely more on velocity than mass for their energy.



The 500 has a very wide spectrum of bullets available from as light as 275gr clear up to the 700gr wrist breakers. So he can pick one that he likes light and fast vs slow and heavy (since everyone has their own opinion on which is better).



Yes the 460s you can shoot the 44, 454, 45LC, and the likes all out of the same gun but in all reality if you are going to shoot any of those much you had better be a re loader as they are all expensive.



Good luck on your decision.
 

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You can shoot 44mags out of a 460? I though it was just 460 454 and 45LC.... And yes those are all VERY expensive.
 

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Morgan,

I don't know if you're set on the 460 or 500, but if not, check out the Taurus 454 casull. I think it might be called "raging bull" or something to that effect. I shot one a few weeks ago with a ported 6in barrel and it wasn't a pain at all, in fact it was no worse than my father's 4in Colt Anaconda 44. While i'm not so sure about Taurus autoloaders, i'd be surprised if their revolvers weren't reliable, after all they're S&W copies right?? I only shot 5 rounds through it ($$$$ ammo), but it was accurate, had a nice rubber grip and felt good in the hand.

Just a thought, i know it's a lot less money than those big Smiths.
 

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johndoe1027 said:
You can shoot 44mags out of a 460?
No you cannot. My Bad only the 454 and 45Lc, not sure what I was sniffing earlier but it has cleared. Thanks for setting me straight.
 

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I miss my Raging Bull 454, but there customer service sucks butt!!!! Was a blast to shoot though!







Dan Burwell said:
[quote name='johndoe1027']You can shoot 44mags out of a 460?
No you cannot. My Bad only the 454 and 45Lc, not sure what I was sniffing earlier but it has cleared. Thanks for setting me straight.[/quote]
 

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no prob Dan, I was thinking to myself "I'm gonna have to get some reloading gear and a 460." I love multi caliber handguns. Its too bad that most only use expensive bullets.



I have a Taurus 410ga revolver that has been great to me. The ribber grips make 410 000 buck out of a 3" bbl VERY fun. I don't mean wrist brace kind of fun, I mean "Where do I buy bulk 000 410 buck?" kind of fun.
 

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I doubt you'll get him to a tote a 460 or 500 along while he's fishing, they are too heavy.



Look at a 629 Mountain Gun or one of the new 4" Ruger Redhawks, and get some Garrett ammo for it, and some good leather.



http://www.theboxotruth.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=223



http://www.biggamehunt.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15322



Rob, Owner of Simply Rugged leather, is a fan of the 629 Mountain Gun

http://www.simplyrugged.com/leather_goods/index.html



I really like the Bianchi 111 Cyclone, it can be worn strong side or crossdraw.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/...leitemid=740287



Garrett Ammo, Check out their 44 Mag Hammerhead ammo

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/products.asp



Testimonials on Garrett ammo

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/reviews1.asp



http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php?t=23790





And for a completely different take on bear defense, how about a Glock 10mm with double tap ammo. It's light, and 15 rounds of hot 10mm (equivalent of .41 Mag) is nothing to sneeze at.



http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php?p=209156



http://www.gunblast.com/Glock20.htm



http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/p...products_id=158
 

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I doubt you'll get him to a tote a 460 or 500 along while he's fishing, they are too heavy.


I agree. A buddy of mine has a full size .460 and I took it hunting one day in a bandolier type holster across my chest and it got old. Always in the way. I've shot it a bunch, I like the versatility, but I can't speak for the snub-nose .460.

What about the Taurus Judge?

How about some of those new sprays?

It would be hard to find something with enough power, yet small enough to lug for hours/miles. Good luck to you.
 

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I have a Taurus Tracker in .44 Mag that includes porting.



I think that is enough unless you want to move up to a rifle or 12 gauge.



Just my .02



Buckaroo (Who has never encountered a bear that wanted to eat him)
 

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I have read articles about a handgun against a bear. The results were not good. The shooter was so flustered he missed with 6 rounds of 44Mag at relatively short range, if I remember correctly the guy got mauled. The article was in an archery magazine and they suggested using bear pepper sprat instead of a handgun. That's my .02
 

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I would take the advice of someone who lives in Alsaka. I shoot a lot of big bore handguns 357 max. up but to be quite frank my thoughts on a big bear gun is a 12ga. pump gun with folding stock or my 9.3x62. This is my mileage and other do vary.



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mitchpilot said:
I wondered how long it would be before this forum got a bear thread going!



If you hang out much at www.smith-wessonforum.com, you'll know exactly what I mean!


My sig line on another site:



"You have more of a chance of meeting 5 naked supermodels that want your hot body than you do a bear that wants to eat you." (so says GJJ)



Got that from a bear gun thread. lol



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Buckaroo said:
"You have more of a chance of meeting 5 naked supermodels that want your hot body than you do a bear that wants to eat you." (so says GJJ)
And I'm gonna be ready, the bear can wait.
 

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Im in the market for one myself, im probably gonna end up tradng my 657 in for a 629 Mountain Gun. That would be the way to go IMO.
 
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