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I work in close proximity with a bunch of police officers. Primarily St. Louis city and some St. Louis county officers. Having asked them all about what ammo they carry I was somewhat surprised that a large percentage of them couldn't tell me. It seems that ( STL city anyway) they are provided generally with whatever ammo can be bought in bulk at the cheapest price.

I understand that all of this is worked out by some bureaucratic budget BS, but man, I would have thought something as critical as duty ammo would be carefully thought out and important enough not to be subject to haggling over a few bucks.

I assume that LEO are not allowed to provide their own carry ammo. They sure like to tie you guy's hands up for you don't they?
 

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Floyd,
i`m surprised that YOU`RE surprised by this. Its all about the money, man.
If you want them to have superman ammo, then expect your taxes to keep going up alot more than they already do. Somebody has to pay for their ammo... and yep, that falls on the tax payer.
And the way its going, the socialists want the cops taken away as well. They cost to much, too.
 

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Floyd,
i`m surprised that YOU`RE surprised by this. Its all about the money, man.
If you want them to have superman ammo, then expect your taxes to keep going up alot more than they already do. Somebody has to pay for their ammo... and yep, that falls on the tax payer.
And the way its going, the socialists want the cops taken away as well. They cost to much, too.

Somewhat surprised. :)

The price of ammo is negligible. Especially considering the cost of cheaping out on ammo.
 

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Yes, it's not a big expense for us (can be for some) or for the individual officer, but it also requires qualifying with said ammo yearly for every officer and maybe more frequently, but to a bean counter, well, they count every______last______bean.
 
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Yes, it's not a big expense for us (can be for some) or for the individual officer, but it also requires qualifying with said ammo yearly for every officer and maybe more frequently, but to a bean counter, well, they count every______last______bean.

And I'm just guessing if there was an incident and you used your own personal ammo there would be a major problem???? Kind of like if you preferred to carry your own personal firearm. Big no no I'm guessing.
I think I understand the reasons why they don't allow these things, but to me it's stupid. They might as well make you go out with one hand tied behind your back. I guess it's not really the department's fault. I blame lawyers. Lawyers and the people who propagate the idea that little Johnny only shot up that grocery store because society failed him.

The STL city police catch a lot of heat. The circuit attorney is a useless, racist *****. She likes prosecuting cops. Her and the board of aldermen ( I won't go into too much detail here, but you can imagine what the board of Aldermen in the city of St. Louis looks like right? ) actually made a resolution honoring a heroin dealer who was shot to death by a police officer after he led them on a high speed chase and when his car wrecked he pointed a gun at the officers. The gun was recovered at the scene, but a couple seconds of a video shot by a bystander showed the officer reaching into the car afterwards. A normal action in most people's eyes, but the prosecutor and the public ( by this I mean the same public that burned Ferguson to the ground a few years ago) decided he was planting a gun. There are a few recent, high profile cases which some officers actually did some dumb ****. The recent incident where some on duty officers were hanging out drinking at an off duty cop's house, out of district and who was a former lover of one of the officers and allegedly wound up playing some kind of game of Russian roullete, resulting in the death of the female off duty officer. And another incident where some off duty officers were at a bar and got into a fight, resulting in a bar patron being shot. By and large though most of these officers are hard working, underpaid and under appreciated. I work with a lot of them and all the ones I know are great guys.

I'm rambling i know, but in closing I want to point out that there are a lot of civilians like me who would intervene should a situation arise where an officer is being over run by bad guys. All of the STL cops I know understand this and appreciate it. Not a single one of them opposes honest citizens carrying guns.
 

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I work in close proximity with a bunch of police officers. Primarily St. Louis city and some St. Louis county officers. Having asked them all about what ammo they carry I was somewhat surprised that a large percentage of them couldn't tell me. It seems that ( STL city anyway) they are provided generally with whatever ammo can be bought in bulk at the cheapest price.

I understand that all of this is worked out by some bureaucratic budget BS, but man, I would have thought something as critical as duty ammo would be carefully thought out and important enough not to be subject to haggling over a few bucks.

I assume that LEO are not allowed to provide their own carry ammo. They sure like to tie you guy's hands up for you don't they?

A lot of police officers aren't "gun guys." Many of them don't have an interest in firearms.
 

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I've worked with some who couldn't hit the walls of a barn if they were inside it. I don't joke. They needed private sessions to qualify with their weapons.

I was told by one of them that they carried the gun because they had to. What a moron.
 
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I've worked with some who couldn't hit the walls of a barn if they were inside it. I don't joke. They needed private sessions to qualify with their weapons.

I was told by one of them that they carried the gun because they had to. What a moron.
Years ago I belonged to a gun club. Various local departments regularly qualified on our ranges. Most of us outshot them regularly. Some of them only shoot when it’s time to qualify.
 

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Years ago I belonged to a gun club. Various local departments regularly qualified on our ranges. Most of us outshot them regularly. Some of them only shoot when it’s time to qualify.
Pretty scary thought...
 

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Mid '70s in a state 500 miles south of my present AO...

The really insane part is that I qualified 297 or higher each qualification (out of 300), but since I was part time I could only put .38s in my .357. The officers who couldn't shoot were allowed .357 mag cartridges. I looked at the gun on my belt as a sort of insurance policy. The thinking of the higher ups in the dept was that should one of the officers who couldn't shoot exhausted their ammo we could throw them some of our 18 rounds. Yeah, like that was going to happen.

But back to .38s vs .357... The only outward physical difference between a .38 and a .357 is that the brass of a .357 is 1/10" longer. Since I was a reloader I just put a .357 load into .38 brass, keeping the OAL the same as .357. Anyone looking would see .38 Special on the brass and not know what was inside. I didn't have a revolver that required .38s, so no problem there, and now they're all shot up.
 

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:Brian, years ago when we carried wheelguns we had a new Chief come in. He was a former trooper and issued us the Mod 28 Highway Patrolman to patrol officers. The ammo had to be Fiocchi 38 Special issue loads.
In a gun that heavy?:rolleyes: Yep. I did the same thing, as I was reloading then. Mafnum power in the 38 cases. I kept a speed loader handy with the Fiocchi ammo in it in case of an inspection.
I kept the fact quiet as we had some officers who would tell all to the brass.
 
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