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Just to pass it on . . . have put about 500 rounds through my new 40c using Federal Personal Defense 155g-Hydra Shok. Up to now, flawless.



Yesterday at the range, after shooting one clip and replacing it with another loaded clip, I closed the slide and pulled the trigger. Nothing! Waited a minute, ejected the misfire and looked at it. The firing pin had struck it but it didn't go off.



Shot another 100 through it with no troubles.



I know timing is everything but wrong timing in the wrong place and I could be in trouble.



Anybody else had this happen with a 40c??
 

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I have not had any problems like that with my .40c. Did you try to fire that round again? Could just be that round.



Just a thought, Ron
 

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I wouldn't try to do that anyway. No telling what could happen with it.
 

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I agree.



There is no way of telling what the internal conditions might be. Sure does raise the question about a revolver (5shot) vs the semi when it comes to this kind of situation.
 

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I also had what I believe was a bad primer on a Federal Hyrdashok, but with the 9mm. After examination, it was a solid primer strike, compared to the other spent casings. I have never had any other misfires with over 1300 rounds through the gun of mixed types.
 

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I have 800 rounds of WWB through my 40C, not one problem. I use this gun as my primary CCW.
 

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I wouldn't blame it on the pistol. Smith has had light primer strikes in the past, but all is solved.



I would chalk it up to a bad primer and move on.
 

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I had the same problem with my M&P 40c and a failure to properly go into battery all in my first time firing 100 rounds. Needless to say I traded in my M&P 40c for a Glock 23. I was very dissappointed in my first experience with the M&P. I am looking at getting a M&P model .357c however. I currently carry a Glock 33 as my conceal carry weapon of choice (great pistol), but I really like how comfortable the grip is on M&P pistols. Grip comfort is something I will say the S&W M&P has over Glock and Springfield XD models. No competition in this department. I owned all three polymer pistols and the MP has them both beat in this department. Now if only I can get a M&P to fire as reliable as my Glocks and XDs. The only other pistol that has a grip as comfortable as the M&P is the Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact. That may be my next pistol.



Take Care and God Bless!




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All you have to do to determine whether a misfire was due to light strike or bad primer is to look at the primer. If it is marked similar to the ones you just shot your problem is the ammo. I am betting on the ammo being your problem.



I have over 3000 rounds through my 9 and it always goes boom. My 40 has gone boom around 1000 times.



The only time I hear it go click is when dry firing. :twisted:
 

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Thanks for the reply.



The primer hit looked the same as all of the past 500 or so shot of the 155g and 165g Federal Hyra-Shok used.



I just sent a note to S&W to see if there is any connection of problems/misfires when a new magazine is inserted and the slide closed manually vs racking a closed slide after a magazine is inserted to load a new shell. I can see why there would be any difference or connection but crazier things are always possible.
 

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If the barrel is going into battery there should be no difference fresh mag or not. My bet remains that the primer was defective. Some are. If it is not going into battery the gun should not fire. I would keep on using it unless you get a repeat with other ammo. :twisted:
 

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ronin67 said:
I had the same problem with my M&P 40c and a failure to properly go into battery all in my first time firing 100 rounds. Needless to say I traded in my M&P 40c for a Glock 23. I was very dissappointed in my first experience with the M&P. I am looking at getting a M&P model .357c however. I currently carry a Glock 33 as my conceal carry weapon of choice (great pistol), but I really like how comfortable the grip is on M&P pistols. Grip comfort is something I will say the S&W M&P has over Glock and Springfield XD models. No competition in this department. I owned all three polymer pistols and the MP has them both beat in this department. Now if only I can get a M&P to fire as reliable as my Glocks and XDs. The only other pistol that has a grip as comfortable as the M&P is the Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact. That may be my next pistol.



Take Care and God Bless!




Ronin


No offense meant here, but I can't believe that you traded in your .40c just because you had a couple of problems in your first 100 rounds. Did you try S&W CS to see what could be done? I would have hung in there a while longer anyway. Many guns are not even considered broken in untill a few hundred rounds have gone though them. Nothing wrong with the G23, it is a great gun!



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CLIP . . . is Southern speak for magazine. Either way, they deliver the goods (Good thing I didn't say 30 round clip
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[No offense meant here, but I can't believe that you traded in your .40c just because you had a couple of problems in your first 100 rounds. Did you try S&W CS to see what could be done? I would have hung in there a while longer anyway. Many guns are not even considered broken in untill a few hundred rounds have gone though them. Nothing wrong with the G23, it is a great gun!



Ron[/quote]





I'm just not a fan of pistols you need to break in. Not everyone gets to shoot 500+ rounds through their new pistol when they get it (Job, family responsibilities etc.). If I go to the range and fire 100 rounds and get a stoppage in those 100 rounds, who is to say it won't happen when I need it to work the most? I can't take that chance when it may come down to my families safety over one or two rounds. To be honest there is only one company that I bought a semi-auto pistol from and I had zero malfunctions. This was a Steyr M9 A1 (yes, not a Glock). I am going to give the Smith & Wesson M&P another shot. I want to get either the M&Pc in .357 Sig or another .40 S&W. I still love the pistol. It may have been just a bad fluke with that particular compact I bought. Also, no offense taken by anyone on this forum. This is one of the most user friendly pistol forums on the internet. My hats off to all the great people this forum has. I like Glock talk allot also, but they have quite a few rude people over their.



Take Care and God Bless!



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retiredf5 said:
Thanks for the reply.



The primer hit looked the same as all of the past 500 or so shot of the 155g and 165g Federal Hyra-Shok used.



I just sent a note to S&W to see if there is any connection of problems/misfires when a new magazine is inserted and the slide closed manually vs racking a closed slide after a magazine is inserted to load a new shell. I can see why there would be any difference or connection but crazier things are always possible.


It's the ammunition. Quit worrying about your gun, especially if it digested many rounds happily afterword.



Seriously. If you shoot 22 rimfire, you know you get a fair ammount of duds. That's because you tned to shoot a lot of it at once, and they make a whole LOT of it. Even with 99.9999% reliability in production and QC (which is not the case as far as I can tell for 22LR), the roughly 2 billion rounds manufactured each year means there's 220000 bad rounds out there just waiting for someone to find them.



Realisticly, based on my experience with 9mm ammo, you are going to get a bum round about once in every 3000 rounds with the most common issue being a hard primer that takes multiple strikes to light off. If you buy surplus double that number as lots of that is destined for sub-guns on full-auto, and has deliberatly harder primers.
 
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