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bassed on another mecgar mag i've got I'm gonna guess it'll be around 13, although I would prefer the shorter grip that a 12 round mag would give.



13 round .45acp mag is:

.082" wider

.0895" deeper

.05" shorter at the rear of the feed lips

 

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How does this account for the M&P 45? All prototypes seen have been 10 rounders with the grip almost the same size as the 9mm/.40 frame. Unless you have some inside info to the dimensions of the gun....
 

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My kimber pro ten 2 has 13 rounds, but the grip is pretty big. Hopefully they make it a 10 to 11 rounder to cut down on the big grip.
 

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matt7184 said:
How does this account for the M&P 45? All prototypes seen have been 10 rounders with the grip almost the same size as the 9mm/.40 frame. Unless you have some inside info to the dimensions of the gun....


It dosen't



When I saw all the posts saying the .45 would be 10rds, I compaired the above mags and was really suprised at the relative closeness in size.



If you look at the .45 mag above the witness holes are at 5, 10, and 13rds. Cutting back to 10rds would allow for a .75" shorter mag tube. If the grip on an M&P fullsize were .75" shorer the grip would end around the top of the S&W M&P medalion in the grip, putting the pinkey finger in the wind as it were, something i persoally don't care for. I posted the picture and info as a food for thought type of item.



More food for thought:



I have medium hands and if I were calling the shots on the M&P .45, It would go like this:

the M&P .45c would have the current 7.5" OAL, and an OAH "H"=Height of 5.25", the mags would be 12rds. the Grip would also be roughly .1" larger in width and depth. I relaize more people would use the medium and small gripstraps, but hey 12rds of .45 in a package the size of a G19.



the M&P fullsize .45 would have an OAL of ~8" the barrel would be 4.75", and an OAH of ~5.6", the mags would be 13 or 14rds. Again Grip would also be roughly .1" larger in width and depth.



Just my $.02



Any thing thet needs pinkey extension should be billed as a SUB-Compact.

Again, just my $.02
 

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DanGTG said:
[quote name='matt7184']How does this account for the M&P 45? All prototypes seen have been 10 rounders with the grip almost the same size as the 9mm/.40 frame. Unless you have some inside info to the dimensions of the gun....


It dosen't



When I saw all the posts saying the .45 would be 10rds, I compaired the above mags and was really suprised at the relative closeness in size.



If you look at the .45 mag above the witness holes are at 5, 10, and 13rds. Cutting back to 10rds would allow for a .75" shorter mag tube. If the grip on an M&P fullsize were .75" shorer the grip would end around the top of the S&W M&P medalion in the grip, putting the pinkey finger in the wind as it were, something i persoally don't care for. I posted the picture and info as a food for thought type of item.

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We do not know any of the widths for the magazine nor how the rounds are going to be stacked. The best GUESS we have right know is based off the prototypes 10 rounds magazine.
 

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I'll take the 10 rounder in order to keep the smaller grip anyday!


The Kimber fatboy feels like crap!

I hate it and always have. I does not sell well and has the feel of a 2x4 like a glock only worse. I have Kimbers and love'em but you couldent give me a fatboy if you tied gold to it, the balance and feel just suck.
 

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Puffy said:
I'll take the 10 rounder in order to keep the smaller grip anyday!


The Kimber fatboy feels like crap!

I hate it and always have. I does not sell well and has the feel of a 2x4 like a glock only worse. I have Kimbers and love'em but you couldent give me a fatboy if you tied gold to it, the balance and feel just suck.


Agreed. I like what H&K has done with the HK45 - less cartridge overlap and only 10 rounds as opposed to trying to squeeze in 13.
 

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Puffy said:
I'll take the 10 rounder in order to keep the smaller grip anyday!


The Kimber fatboy feels like crap!

I hate it and always have. I does not sell well and has the feel of a 2x4 like a glock only worse. I have Kimbers and love'em but you couldent give me a fatboy if you tied gold to it, the balance and feel just suck.


OK so the Kimber BP/Wilson KZ/BUL M5 is a large blocky example of the doublestack grip, but what about the STI 2011 series, standard size mags are 12rds in .45 ACP. Anyone care to bash on the STI? LOL... The point being, there are medicore examples of engineering everywhere.
 

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vzontini said:
The standard 2011 grip is larger than the 9/40 M&P. I'd rather keep the smaller grip and give-up a couple rounds.


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I talked to the Smith rep at my local shop tonight - he's been doing alot of talking to the factory about the .45. He told me the grip would remain smaller to forego a larger capacity, they're mainly interested in keeping the relatively slim grip of the .40 and 9mm. He said the first production samples he's been told about having a small insert in feel about like the .40 with a medium insert, so it's very close but the capacity has been 10+1.
 
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