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So, how many of you are using an M&P with a mag disconnect for IDPA? I had placed an order for one without the mag disconnect, but the day after my order the California DOJ revised which models of M&P were allowed to be sold here, so only ones with Mag Disconnects are legal.



I wish I could remove the mag disonnect in the new one I purchased, but I understand that is a violation of IDPA rules.
 

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When did you place your order? Mine should hopefully be here today so I can DROS it.
 

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Last Thusday (11/30). The DOJ approved list was modified 12/1, so any pistol DROSed after 12/1 should have a mag disconnect. Don't know what to tell you about your pistol- maybe your FFL will be understanding. Otherwise, you may have to work something out with Buds for a return.
 

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Last Thusday (11/30). The DOJ approved list was modified 12/1, so any pistol DROSed after 12/1 should have a mag disconnect. Don't know what to tell you about your pistol- maybe your FFL will be understanding. Otherwise, you may have to work something out with Buds for a return.


As soon as I get back from FEDEX, I'll have a extra mag Disconnect avaialble if anyone wants it!!



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darrenk75b said:
So, how many of you are using an M&P with a mag disconnect for IDPA? I had placed an order for one without the mag disconnect, but the day after my order the California DOJ revised which models of M&P were allowed to be sold here, so only ones with Mag Disconnects are legal.



I wish I could remove the mag disonnect in the new one I purchased, but I understand that is a violation of IDPA rules.


I'm using my M&P 9mm for IDPA (ISI Shootists in Ventura, CA) and I try to be extra careful showing the RO that the chamber is indeed empty before dropping the slide. I most often have an empty mag in my back pocket that I can use to "drop the hammer" after explaining that this pistol have a mag disconnect. Very rare that they insist I drop the hammer, but I'm prepared to do it.



By now, most or all the ROs know my gun, tho.
 

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Does the rulebook sprecifically state that a hammer drop is a firing pin drop? When I was competing with a 5904 with mag safety, the RO's (even at 2-3 state level matches) were happy just to let me decock it with the safety. My rulebook is at work............
 

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Does the rulebook sprecifically state that a hammer drop is a firing pin drop? When I was competing with a 5904 with mag safety, the RO's (even at 2-3 state level matches) were happy just to let me decock it with the safety. My rulebook is at work............


AFAIK, in USPSA/IPSC De-Cock is OK, but the M&P does not have a De-Cock Lever, so if you have a Mag safety, you need an Empty magazine fr the "Unload & Show Clear" Command at the end of the COF.



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Okay, makes sense, thanks.
 

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Has anyone thought about making a fake mag out of plexi or something else to use for this? If it was made out of something clear, you could design it to not push up the slide lock and not actually be held in. I would put a lanyard loop on the back, slide it in to push up the mag-disconnect, and then be all set to pull the trigger. It wouldn't hold itself in, there would be no way to confuse the two, and there would be no way for me to loose it. On top of all of that, it would add weight to one of my front pockets to help in a draw from concealment.



Just my thoughts...



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A guy I used to shoot with when I started shooting IPSC had a S&W Performance Center Pistol and he did one in White Delrin that was around 12" long. Like you say, after finishing shooting the stage, and showing "CLEAR" he would stick this thing into the magwell and do the "Hammer Down" thing without using a "Real" Magazine.



Not a bad idea!!





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MI_Jester said:
Has anyone thought about making a fake mag out of plexi or something else to use for this? If it was made out of something clear, you could design it to not push up the slide lock and not actually be held in. I would put a lanyard loop on the back, slide it in to push up the mag-disconnect, and then be all set to pull the trigger. It wouldn't hold itself in, there would be no way to confuse the two, and there would be no way for me to loose it. On top of all of that, it would add weight to one of my front pockets to help in a draw from concealment.



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One of the companies makes weighted blue "dummy" magzines for some guns. I could just carry another real mag...probably as cheaply. I just didn't want to have to go through the hoo-haw of putting the stupid thing back in. I'm not sure the idea of stuffing another mag in the gun after clearing it so I can make the hammer fall is safer. "Oops, sorry, Mr. SO, I thought it was my UNloaded hammer drop mag, not my partially loaded top off mag I just stuck into a previously safe/cleared gun...gimme a mintue to re-check it."

But that is one humble opinion...and I don't shoot USPSA, so I still need to get the IDPA book out.
 

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Do you "NEED" to have the Mag Safety Installed??



Can you take it out??



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sheepdog said:
One of the companies makes weighted blue "dummy" magzines for some guns. I could just carry another real mag...probably as cheaply. I just didn't want to have to go through the hoo-haw of putting the stupid thing back in. I'm not sure the idea of stuffing another mag in the gun after clearing it so I can make the hammer fall is safer. "Oops, sorry, Mr. SO, I thought it was my UNloaded hammer drop mag, not my partially loaded top off mag I just stuck into a previously safe/cleared gun...gimme a mintue to re-check it."

But that is one humble opinion...and I don't shoot USPSA, so I still need to get the IDPA book out.
 

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I'm one of those odd guys that prefers it for the moment...especially while I'm using it to teach a kiddo. Had one for years on my 5904 duty gun and I liked it for that, so I didn't think twice about ordering one with the safety. Then I realized a major difference as somehere pointed out the fact that there is no decocker so it is a bit different to handle on a line. Guess this one may lose it a bit later to solve the problem. To me, it's easier and safer to say, "it's visually cleared, it has a mag safety (demo floppy trigger to RO) and no magazine...holster."
 

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Do you "NEED" to have the Mag Safety Installed??



Can you take it out??


It is easily taken out, and instructions have been provided by Dan Burwell. Basically all that you need is a replacement spring, costing about $4. However, IDPA rules state that no safety device shall be disassembled or deactivated. So removing the mag safety should likely be a violation of IDPA rules even though there may be another person on the line that has no mag safety from the factory. Somehow, their pistol is safe, and your modified one is illegal (no less safe).
 

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[quote name='ysued']Do you "NEED" to have the Mag Safety Installed??



Can you take it out??


It is easily taken out, and instructions have been provided by Dan Burwell. Basically all that you need is a replacement spring, costing about $4. However, IDPA rules state that no safety device shall be disassembled or deactivated. So removing the mag safety should likely be a violation of IDPA rules even though there may be another person on the line that has no mag safety from the factory. Somehow, their pistol is safe, and your modified one is illegal (no less safe).[/quote]



But how can they know if you took the Mag Safety out or the factory, unles you tell them!!
 

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Therein lies the rub. Unless the RO knows the M&P pistol lineup, he may not be able to tell the difference. However, the pistols that come from the factory without a mag disconnect have a warning to the effect of "Caution: Pistol is capable of firing without a magaine" etched on the slide. If you know what you are looking for, then you can tell the difference.
 

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Therein lies the rub. Unless the RO knows the M&P pistol lineup, he may not be able to tell the difference. However, the pistols that come from the factory without a mag disconnect have a warning to the effect of "Caution: Pistol is capable of firing without a magaine" etched on the slide. If you know what you are looking for, then you can tell the difference.


Well, yes & now!!



I have seen some that came from the facotry without the Mag Safety and without the Warning, Mistake?? Maybe a Collectors Edition:)



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IDPA and Mag Safety

I'd hope IDPA would alter their rules with the M&P since it comes with and w/o Mag Safety and not be nitpicky by checking to see if there is or is not a warning on the slide.



IMHO it's much safer and certainly quicker for the SO's if the competitor doesn't have to insert an empty mag to pull the trigger on hammer down command. If using the M&P mostly for competition I'd think the w/o mag safety would be preferable.



I doubt if club matches will check but be interesting if IDPA gets nitpicky on this at major/national match.
 

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I think they will either let the rule slide or modifiy it. I read where S&W is a major contributor to IDPA when it was first getting started and still heavily supports them.
 

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My carry M&P has no mag safety nor the warning.
 
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