NEW Folding Carbine from Smith & Wesson: The FPC

I would probably be interested in this if I didn't already have a couple of CX4 9mm carbines.

The folding feature is done much better than the Keltec. I have come close to buying the Keltec for years, but you can't fold it and keep an optic on it.

czgunner said:

Make it in 357 SIG and I would buy one.

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I doubt that will ever happen. At the moment, 9mm is the bandwagon again...

M1A4ME said:

The one thing I wonder about is what a 16" barrel does to velocity. Does the velocity increase till the bullet leaves the barrel or does the friction between the barrel/bullet eventually start overcoming the rapidly decreasing gas pressure?

My AR15 looking carbine only has an 11.5" barrel with an XM177 (clone) flash suppressor pinned/welded to make it just over 16". So 11.5" of effective barrel. I use a slow burning powder in my reloads (Blue Dot) so it burns longer than the more common fast burning powders used in factory 9MM ammo.

Just mildly curious. Sixteen inch barrels with 9MM may be fine.

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In the first video, he claims that 9mm hits with the force of a 357 (from a handgun) when shot out of a 16 inch barrel...

AlinMi said:

Ship, what make model are these?

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Both are Beretta CX4 9mm carbines.

M1A4ME said:

That's Star Wars, or Star Ship Troopers looking stuff right there.

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I think they were used on Battlestar Galactica, actually.

crc4 said:

He's an obnoxious reviewer. First and last time I'll watch him. Too many other reviewers without needing this smarmy narcissist douche. He's the type of person I avoid in gunstores, ranges, and life in general.

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Honestly,he usually isn't that bad. I like his reviews usually. Not sure why he gave that much attitude this time.

M1A4ME said:

I'm a fan of consistency. My 9MM (bigger than pistol) guns are ARs. Same safeties, same way of dropping the magazines, same grips, same way to clear a malfunction, etc.

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I have owned several PCCs. The Beretta CX4 Storm - I have 2, and have owned 4. On the safety, they did something similar on the CX4 as they did on this new M&P PCC.... Mag release and slide stop is similar in place to where it is on a handgun. But, I have yet to see a PCC with a safety that operates like a handgun. I don't think you are going to find that. Both the Storm and this new M&P safety work the same. Or, you are going to find an AR15 style safety on other PCCs. You are not going to find a 1911 style thumb safety on a PCC that I have ever seen.

Now, I run my handguns loaded all the time (with the chamber loaded). On rifles - I always leave the mag loaded, but never load the chamber until I need it. So, I never use the safety on a carbine personally

The safety on the Beretta CX4 takes some force. It's not going to move by accident. And, after watching the last review of this by Honest Outlaw, I think it looks the same with this carbine. I don't think it would get activated by accident, even in a bag.

I will say that I really am interested in this gun...

crc4 said:

Finding one is going to take awhile. I've not seen one in stock online or in LGS.

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Well, the their new M&P Five Seven took a few weeks to show up after they showed it off.

1911operator said:

Got to handle one yesterday at the range I work at. Typical S&W fir and finish, all good. Is it perfect? Is any/every gun perfect? I like it, watched all the videos and the gun seems super reliable. That said, no one has yet to tell us what the recoil impulse of this rifle is. The KelTec in a long range session can be a shoulder buster, after all, it’s a blow back design like the Smith. But, not all blow backs beat you up, nor do they have to be heavy to Not do so. So, what is it?

Time will tell, but I think S&W has a winner on their hands, great home defense/truck gun IMO, at a great price point.

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I would swear that at least 1 youtube review said it was pretty light for a blowback rifle.

While not bad, I will say the CX4 has more recoil than you would think a 9mm carbine would have. But the bolt on the CX4 is pretty damn big.

crc4 said:

I'm assuming that there's less recoil than an AK and that's fine with me. I would think for most shooters, the recoil isn't a factor.

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Well, 9mm carbines usually recoil more than an AR15

No, the recoil is not bad at all. Just the very first time I shot a CX4 9mm carbine over a decade ago, I was very surprised. I would have expected it to be less than an AR, but it's not. But, it's the nature of the blowback design.

Even a teen can shoot it, so it's not bad.

My favorite optic is the Mepro 21 reflex sight. No batteries needed. Uses tritium and fiber optic.

They make multiple reticle versions, but the triangle is the best one. I have one on my CX4, and it is the 7th one of these I have owned over the years.

Even if you put it in a hot car for a while (in the summer) - you needn't worry that the heat will hurt the electronics. Here in Texas, it can get over 160F inside a vehicle in the summer.