NEW Folding Carbine from Smith & Wesson: The FPC
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You're right about him being a jerk.I watch his videos if I'm interested in the gun not because I like him. He has a foul mouth and in warm weather he wears tight short shorts. Apparently he thinks he's sexy.
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He's an obnoxious reviewer. First and last time I'll watch him. Too many other reviewers without needing this smarmy narcissist douche. He's the type of person I avoid in gunstores, ranges, and life in general.
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Honestly,he usually isn't that bad. I like his reviews usually. Not sure why he gave that much attitude this time.
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I sometimes drive a car I'd rather not drive. But the coupes aren't always the right car for what we're doing. Not fun to drive but I may need to carry a bigger load or more people.
I sometimes shoot a rifle I'd rather not shoot. But the rifle may need a check after an optic change or some mods to the parts.
I sometimes watch a video made by someone who has aggravating habits. But if I learn from the stuff he/she is putting out there then it was worth it.
Sometimes the result is worth the irritation.
I sometimes shoot a rifle I'd rather not shoot. But the rifle may need a check after an optic change or some mods to the parts.
I sometimes watch a video made by someone who has aggravating habits. But if I learn from the stuff he/she is putting out there then it was worth it.
Sometimes the result is worth the irritation.
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I'm not a prude and can cuss like a professional.
But if I have people around watching a video about teaching someone the value and relevant points about a firearm, I prefer they not be crude, present a know-it-all and I-know-about-you attitude in a condescending manner, and leave out the blatant double-entendre comments.
He's not my type regardless of his 'information' that I can find elsewhere and not be embarrassed to watch with young girls and boys around I'm hoping to teach about firearms.
I don't expect Mr. Rodgers, but I also don't need that cringe factor regardless of what he's saying.
But if I have people around watching a video about teaching someone the value and relevant points about a firearm, I prefer they not be crude, present a know-it-all and I-know-about-you attitude in a condescending manner, and leave out the blatant double-entendre comments.
He's not my type regardless of his 'information' that I can find elsewhere and not be embarrassed to watch with young girls and boys around I'm hoping to teach about firearms.
I don't expect Mr. Rodgers, but I also don't need that cringe factor regardless of what he's saying.
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Yeah, I get that too.
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Still would rather have those...I have been watching more reviews today., This thing is pretty interesting.
As I said above - if I only had 1 of these, instead of 2.... I think I'd get one... But, I just can't justify it...
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I'm a fan of consistency. My 9MM (bigger than pistol) guns are ARs. Same safeties, same way of dropping the magazines, same grips, same way to clear a malfunction, etc.
Try to do it with pistols, too. Even my striker fired pistols have thumb safeties. If I carry it, it's got thumb safeties. I no longer (for many years) carry a revolver. I stopped taking my M1A to the range (M1, too) because after using the safeties I'd find myself dropping the magazine on the AR15's next time I took to the range. That trigger finger has the need to do something after I stop pulling the trigger and with no safety in the trigger guard of the AR it finds it's way up to the mag. release and the mag. falls to the bench or ground.
I like that it uses the M&P pistol grip, magazine release, use of the pistol magazines and the storage method (I do wonder how the folks that value balance of a long arm will like loaded mags at the butt of the carbine, till you use them. Balance will change as you fire it. Being at the extreme rear it'll be more noticeable.
I don't like the safety. Different than what you carry - if you carry an M&P pistol. Under stress, you're in danger of either not using the safety (if you carry an M&P without thumb safeties) or wasting time looking for the thumb safety (if you carry M&Ps with thumb safeties.)
Just my opinion. Fun looking gun but I have my reservations.
If anyone here buys one please, please start a thread with pictures and your experiences using it. It would be helpful for all of us to hear from the people we "talk" with all the time about M&Ps vs. watching a reviewer on youtube. The more people that buy/use them and communicate about them the more things (good or bad) will be discovered.
Try to do it with pistols, too. Even my striker fired pistols have thumb safeties. If I carry it, it's got thumb safeties. I no longer (for many years) carry a revolver. I stopped taking my M1A to the range (M1, too) because after using the safeties I'd find myself dropping the magazine on the AR15's next time I took to the range. That trigger finger has the need to do something after I stop pulling the trigger and with no safety in the trigger guard of the AR it finds it's way up to the mag. release and the mag. falls to the bench or ground.
I like that it uses the M&P pistol grip, magazine release, use of the pistol magazines and the storage method (I do wonder how the folks that value balance of a long arm will like loaded mags at the butt of the carbine, till you use them. Balance will change as you fire it. Being at the extreme rear it'll be more noticeable.
I don't like the safety. Different than what you carry - if you carry an M&P pistol. Under stress, you're in danger of either not using the safety (if you carry an M&P without thumb safeties) or wasting time looking for the thumb safety (if you carry M&Ps with thumb safeties.)
Just my opinion. Fun looking gun but I have my reservations.
If anyone here buys one please, please start a thread with pictures and your experiences using it. It would be helpful for all of us to hear from the people we "talk" with all the time about M&Ps vs. watching a reviewer on youtube. The more people that buy/use them and communicate about them the more things (good or bad) will be discovered.
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M1A4Me (or is it now AR154ME?
), All very good and well reasoned points. The value of consistency - where partial seconds count and the price of failure can be fatal - is often overlooked in the face of the shiny and new.
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Yeah, the AR15 goes with me these days. The desire/familiarity for the M1A rifle dates back to my time in the Army where I carried M14 TRW 1490317 for almost 4 years. Shot both in the Army. Carried both (M14 more than the M16A1) and I got called out for the hard shots or the possible hard shots. I'd get pulled aside, told my job was going to be different than the rest of the squad (or the platoon) and I needed to hit certain targets (all but once was training exercises and the other time we never left the barracks so it was more of an opportunity to consider what might happen/what I might have to do than anything else, Funny thing, I carried civilian style deer rifles, surplus US bolt action rifles and my M1A deer hunting in the mountains when I lived in WV. Not once did I have a deer show up to get shot unless I war carrying my M1A. I used to joke with my buddies that the deer would see the rifle, wonder what it was and then come walking up to see that strange looking rifle none of them had seen before. Curiousity (and a 150 grain bullet) killed the deer. AR15's are so much cheaper to shoot (and harder to clean) than the M1A or M1 Garand.
Sorry for going off topic. How do I remember the serial number after 40 plus years? We had an old Army armorer. You'd hand him your weapons card and he'd take it. Then he'd ask you which rifle was yours. When you told him "the one on the card" he'd say, "This is a piece of paper son, which rifle is yours?" Repeat that serial number every day for years and you'll remember it.
Sorry for going off topic. How do I remember the serial number after 40 plus years? We had an old Army armorer. You'd hand him your weapons card and he'd take it. Then he'd ask you which rifle was yours. When you told him "the one on the card" he'd say, "This is a piece of paper son, which rifle is yours?" Repeat that serial number every day for years and you'll remember it.
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I have owned several PCCs. The Beretta CX4 Storm - I have 2, and have owned 4. On the safety, they did something similar on the CX4 as they did on this new M&P PCC.... Mag release and slide stop is similar in place to where it is on a handgun. But, I have yet to see a PCC with a safety that operates like a handgun. I don't think you are going to find that. Both the Storm and this new M&P safety work the same. Or, you are going to find an AR15 style safety on other PCCs. You are not going to find a 1911 style thumb safety on a PCC that I have ever seen.
Now, I run my handguns loaded all the time (with the chamber loaded). On rifles - I always leave the mag loaded, but never load the chamber until I need it. So, I never use the safety on a carbine personally
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I understand that while consistency is important, it's not the only thing in operating a weapon. I've never had a problem moving from one system to another after practice. I've never carried Colt revolvers as I don't like the cylinder release direction and rotation of the cylinder compared to S&W. But I have shot enough Colt revolvers to operate the revolver successfully.
I never tried to drop a magazine from a S&W Model 67, confused an 870 12 ga with an AK, or a Cz 75b with a Makarov. Whether I prefer my 75B to the Makarov is not the issue. I can run both successfully because I've practiced with both.
I don't carry firearms defensively without a lot of practice - both the manual-of-arms and plenty of range work.
Familiarity with a variety of guns is good. Practice with a variety of guns is better.
For those who don't practice the manual-of-arms and at the range, sticking with only one gun and one system may be fine, but it doesn't make for a well-rounded and knowledgeable shooter.
There's an old saying, "Nothing is dumber than an expert when you get him off the subject he's an expert in." I've been there and it's true.
I never tried to drop a magazine from a S&W Model 67, confused an 870 12 ga with an AK, or a Cz 75b with a Makarov. Whether I prefer my 75B to the Makarov is not the issue. I can run both successfully because I've practiced with both.
I don't carry firearms defensively without a lot of practice - both the manual-of-arms and plenty of range work.
Familiarity with a variety of guns is good. Practice with a variety of guns is better.
For those who don't practice the manual-of-arms and at the range, sticking with only one gun and one system may be fine, but it doesn't make for a well-rounded and knowledgeable shooter.
There's an old saying, "Nothing is dumber than an expert when you get him off the subject he's an expert in." I've been there and it's true.
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I find it "interesting" that people who prefer a pistol with no manual safety don't mind a long barreled pistol/carbine with a manual safety.
If you were a M&P fan who carried the full sized pistol (whichever size you prefer) could it cause a problem with the M&P PCC because that safety is there? Or would they carry it with the safety in the FIRE position? If it got moved to the SAFE position when carried in a bag would they develop the habit of always checking/moving the safety to the FIRE position if they ran it that way.
Got me thinking about that when I was checking the ammo in the old 1.0 PC 9MM. I was going through some magazines sorting out the ammo loaded with the Everglades 115 grain hollow points based on my range trip the other day and moving it into the 19 round mags. I carry with that 9MM pistol. It's got those nice big ambidextrous thumb safeties that are so different from the safety on the PCC (which is like my shotgun safeties, the ones that have a safety).
Really not trying to upset anyone, just wondering about the effects of training/muscle memory/stress when two things that similar are just a tiny bit different.
If you were a M&P fan who carried the full sized pistol (whichever size you prefer) could it cause a problem with the M&P PCC because that safety is there? Or would they carry it with the safety in the FIRE position? If it got moved to the SAFE position when carried in a bag would they develop the habit of always checking/moving the safety to the FIRE position if they ran it that way.
Got me thinking about that when I was checking the ammo in the old 1.0 PC 9MM. I was going through some magazines sorting out the ammo loaded with the Everglades 115 grain hollow points based on my range trip the other day and moving it into the 19 round mags. I carry with that 9MM pistol. It's got those nice big ambidextrous thumb safeties that are so different from the safety on the PCC (which is like my shotgun safeties, the ones that have a safety).
Really not trying to upset anyone, just wondering about the effects of training/muscle memory/stress when two things that similar are just a tiny bit different.
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The safety on the Beretta CX4 takes some force. It's not going to move by accident. And, after watching the last review of this by Honest Outlaw, I think it looks the same with this carbine. I don't think it would get activated by accident, even in a bag.
I will say that I really am interested in this gun...
I will say that I really am interested in this gun...
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Finding one is going to take awhile. I've not seen one in stock online or in LGS.
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Well, the their new M&P Five Seven took a few weeks to show up after they showed it off.
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M1A4ME said;
”Really not trying to upset anyone, just wondering about the effects of training/muscle memory/stress when two things that similar are just a tiny bit different.”
That’s really good point!
I have no trouble in running my “no manual safety” M&Ps, Caniks, etc.; then running my 1911s. Never had a brain-fart yet over the safety/no safety thing; but what you noted about “very similar in most ways, but” is really a different animal. and that could require a bit of serious training to overcome.
Fortunately, I’m not in a situation like that; but it’d be very interesting to hear from both yourself and others who do have weapons that meet those criteria…
”Really not trying to upset anyone, just wondering about the effects of training/muscle memory/stress when two things that similar are just a tiny bit different.”
That’s really good point!
I have no trouble in running my “no manual safety” M&Ps, Caniks, etc.; then running my 1911s. Never had a brain-fart yet over the safety/no safety thing; but what you noted about “very similar in most ways, but” is really a different animal. and that could require a bit of serious training to overcome.
Fortunately, I’m not in a situation like that; but it’d be very interesting to hear from both yourself and others who do have weapons that meet those criteria…
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It looks like a Kel-tec copy to me. It;s funny how all the manufacturers are jumping on the PCC bandwagon today while years ago there were only these ,and they did not sell well. Now they are classics and collectible.
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It;s funny how all the manufacturers are jumping on the PCC bandwagon today while years ago there were only these ,and they did not sell well. Now they are classics and collectible.
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