[crc4]

I looked at the Keltec but plastic trigger group parts, the fold-down direction prohibits mounted optical sights, a heavy trigger pull at about 9 lbs, and the admonishment to never open to clean out the receiver upon great pain and anguish made me discount it for my purposes.

Plus, the corrections to make it better with a complete kit from M*CARBO is $249.00 with the buyer installing it.

It seems that the S&W model eliminated my concerns. Is the S&W perfect? No. But for the money, it seems good enough as is.

 

[M1A4ME]

As the man said, when things go bad you really don't have have time to think about what you're doing/going to do. You react the way you've been trained to react.

Do you take your eyes off the road to mess with your radio in the car/truck? Or do you just reach down (since you've done it so many times before) and your hand/fingers know exactly where the knob/button is and what you have to do to make the changes you want to make? I hope not.

When you drop a magazine and insert another do you have to think about which finger to use? Do you take your eyes off the surroundings to look for the magazine release button? Do you have to think about where the spare mags. are? Do you have to look at them to grab one? Do you have to take a moment to look at the pistol to insert the magazine? Do you have to think about how to get the pistol to chamber that top round in the magazine? I hope not.

If you've trained you just do it. Your mind and eyes should be insuring you are aware of what is around you so you can respond to any other threats.

 

[crc4]

There's an FPC for sale on Guns.com for $1396. I'm still laughing for two reasons.

1. It's double the MSRP
2. Knowing some fool will buy it.

 

[M1A4ME]

They are a neat (and often repeated) idea for those who'd like a longer, more accurate gun to go along with their handgun. Not only does it use the same ammo, it uses the same magazines. If you carry a full sized M&P 9MM all the magazines on your belt, in your bag, on the stock of that gun fit both guns you're carrying/taking with you.

I guess there was some engineering reason for the difference in safeties between it and the pistols. The safeties don't block the striker or sear on the pistols. They block trigger bar movement so it can't move the sear and release the striker.

 

[ShipWreck]

 

[Rick M]

I’ve fired friend’s KelTec carbines before.
That S&W product looks much more robust to me.

 

[1911operator]

Got to handle one yesterday at the range I work at. Typical S&W fir and finish, all good. Is it perfect? Is any/every gun perfect? I like it, watched all the videos and the gun seems super reliable. That said, no one has yet to tell us what the recoil impulse of this rifle is. The KelTec in a long range session can be a shoulder buster, after all, it’s a blow back design like the Smith. But, not all blow backs beat you up, nor do they have to be heavy to Not do so. So, what is it?

Time will tell, but I think S&W has a winner on their hands, great home defense/truck gun IMO, at a great price point.

 

[ShipWreck]

Got to handle one yesterday at the range I work at. Typical S&W fir and finish, all good. Is it perfect? Is any/every gun perfect? I like it, watched all the videos and the gun seems super reliable. That said, no one has yet to tell us what the recoil impulse of this rifle is. The KelTec in a long range session can be a shoulder buster, after all, it’s a blow back design like the Smith. But, not all blow backs beat you up, nor do they have to be heavy to Not do so. So, what is it?

Time will tell, but I think S&W has a winner on their hands, great home defense/truck gun IMO, at a great price point.

I would swear that at least 1 youtube review said it was pretty light for a blowback rifle.

While not bad, I will say the CX4 has more recoil than you would think a 9mm carbine would have. But the bolt on the CX4 is pretty damn big.

 

[crc4]

I would swear that at least 1 youtube review said it was pretty light for a blowback rifle.

While not bad, I will say the CX4 has more recoil than you would think a 9mm carbine would have. But the bolt on the CX4 is pretty damn big.

I'm assuming that there's less recoil than an AK and that's fine with me. I would think for most shooters, the recoil isn't a factor.

 

[ShipWreck]

I'm assuming that there's less recoil than an AK and that's fine with me. I would think for most shooters, the recoil isn't a factor.

Well, 9mm carbines usually recoil more than an AR15

 

[crc4]

Well, 9mm carbines usually recoil more than an AR15

I'm sure. But in my adult years, I'm not particularly recoil sensitive. Last week I went to an outdoor range where I fired my M1 Garand about 60 rounds. Sure, I felt it but I didn't find it worrisome and now a week later, I can't even remember what the recoil was like.

It's not that I'm a man-of-steel, but I guess my psychology of recoil is that it's just part of the shooting experience and I can choose to notice it each time I fire a 30.06 or just accept it and move on to more important things.

Yesterday I fired +P in my S&W Bodyguard revolver and also can't remember the recoil as I was too busy working with getting my Hogue Laser finessed in my aiming picture.

Others are more recoil sensitive, but I suspect much of that is more psychological than the inability to physically handle it.

Just my own take.

 

[ShipWreck]

No, the recoil is not bad at all. Just the very first time I shot a CX4 9mm carbine over a decade ago, I was very surprised. I would have expected it to be less than an AR, but it's not. But, it's the nature of the blowback design.

Even a teen can shoot it, so it's not bad.

 

[Rick M]

One of my ARs is an old (now) Bushmaster Carbon-15.
It has a carbon fiber forearm, buttstock, lower and upper receivers.
It weighs four pounds; which is less than the hand guns that I used to carry when running the dogs in the swamp during deer season here.

I sighted in two different optical sights on it; shooting right at 250 rounds each time (why cut the fun short; right?)
My shoulder was black and blue; both times. Now I’m not at all recoil sensitive, and had no trouble shooting it; but the bruises can attest to the recoil of the 5.56 round when fired from a light platform.

That said; it shoots great. I shot a running deer five times with it in a couple of seconds (until it fell and I couldn’t see it anymore). When the young guys went back in, carried it out of the swamp, and broke it down; those five shots were all just behind the front shoulder, and could be covered with the palm of your hand.

It’s a perfect rifle to carry in a Florida coastal swamp (basically subtropical jungle); the only exposed rifle part that wasn’t carbon fiber was the stainless steel barrel. 👍

 

[10Millguy]

This intrigues me so much that I'm going to handle one tomorrow and if it feels and operates like it looks it will be going home with me. I've wanted a pistol calber carbine for years but haven't been impressed by any enough to buy one until now.

 

[Rick M]

This intrigues me so much that I'm going to handle one tomorrow and if it feels and operates like it looks it will be going home with me. I've wanted a pistol calber carbine for years but haven't been impressed by any enough to buy one until now.

Me too; let us know what you think about it... 👍

 

[M1A4ME]

I have a couple 9MM AR types. If I stop to think about it I might be able to say the carbine kicks more than a .223 caliber carbine, but I'd have to have both laying on the bench and shoot both, one after the other, to say for sure.

Rick, are you on blood thinners? I take coumadin every day for a condition called Factor V Leiden. My blood clots too quickly, too easily (got a clot in my lower right leg - why they checked and found the hereditary condition). I've come back from the range, pulled my shirt off and found a bruise on my right shoulder (the same pattern as the little bumps on the back of the carbine buttstock - wild looking bruise for a couple days).

I look at a 9MM carbine as an intermediate range gun. More accuracy/velocity out past a pistol's normal range, but it's not in the same class as a .223/5.56X45 carbine.

Should allow the shooter to be more accurate/precise past normal handgun ranges and carry more ammo than the majority of handguns.

Mine won't fold up and go into a case like the S&W will.

 

[10Millguy]

Ok, went to my LGS and saw one in person and really liked it. Bad news was he only had one and another customer was about to purchase it. The guy ( his name is John ) gladly offered me to handle her and get a feel of the carbine which was really nice of him. I got to completely check her out and decided upon completion to order one, thankfully he has 3 more coming in on the 23rd so only have to wait 10 days or so. I really like the fact that you can fold up with an optic mounted and has a really nice carry case to keep everything together. I hope this is a win for S & W, from what I've seen it should be. I'll post pics when I get her followed by a range report, weather permitting.

 

[crc4]

Ok, went to my LGS and saw one in person and really liked it. Bad news was he only had one and another customer was about to purchase it. The guy ( his name is John ) gladly offered me to handle her and get a feel of the carbine which was really nice of him. I got to completely check her out and decided upon completion to order one, thankfully he has 3 more coming in on the 23rd so only have to wait 10 days or so. I really like the fact that you can fold up with an optic mounted and has a really nice carry case to keep everything together. I hope this is a win for S & W, from what I've seen it should be. I'll post pics when I get her followed by a range report, weather permitting.

If you don't mind telling, was the price MSRP or were they getting a premium price? I saw one on a gun site for $1396, about double the MSRP. With the demand for that model, I'm wondering if LGS are asking more.

Thanks.

 

[10Millguy]

If you don't mind telling, was the price MSRP or were they getting a premium price? I saw one on a gun site for $1396, about double the MSRP. With the demand for that model, I'm wondering if LGS are asking more.

Thanks.

No, actually I was surprised it was 699. I think msrp is 675 or close to it, he is a small local gun shop out here in the semi sticks and have never known them to gouge their prices.

 

[crc4]

No, actually I was surprised it was 699. I think msrp is 675 or close to it, he is a small local gun shop out here in the semi sticks and have never known them to gouge their prices.

That's fair. Thanks for letting me know. Have you decided on an optic? I'll be waiting for your range report.
Cheers!