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I know it is always advised that you keep the weapon "system" the same on and off duty.

For example you carry a G22 on duty then you should carry something similiar off duty (G26/27).



What are you thoughts on this subject? I am going to switch over to my newly purchased M&P40 in the next 2.5 months as my on duty. I'm debating on whether or not I should go with a compact model for OD. I know it's going to be a reliable gun (M&P C) but there are so many other choices on the market.. My other choices: XD9SC, Glock 26..
 

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I am not a LEO, but I'll give you my 2 cents. The only cross-over problems I have is when going to a Glock or from a Glock. Grip angle messes me up every time.
 

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I am not a LEO, but I'll give you my 2 cents. The only cross-over problems I have is when going to a Glock or from a Glock. Grip angle messes me up every time.
Makes perfect sense. So what's your thought on trigger feel? If I don't go with an M&P compact I feel that the next best alternative would be the XD SC. The grip angle is similiar. I'm not sure on the trigger feel.
 

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The XD trigger is longer, as is the reset. I guess there is a possibility of short stroking it but it's probably not likely. You can send it to Canyon Creek to get the trigger worked on if you're inclined. If I were you, I'd get the M&P for a BUG, but that's because I think they are perfect for carry, whether primary or secondary, and especially since your duty gun will be a M&P.
 

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There IS something to be said for commonality among weapons systems. Myself, I switch between a Glock 22 (work), full size M&P, and Kimber Warrior (1911) and I sometimes worry about remembering the deactivate the thumb safety on the 1911 - but I shoot it better than the others and it is very flat to carry. Round and round we go.....
 

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I carry on duty M&P 40 ,off duty/backup 40C (for liabilty reasons), and I instruct the same , you should be able to prove in court that you are familiar with your off duty as much as your on duty. We require our officers to also qualify with their off duty/backup just like their on duty and records are maintained as such.



Curious,how many other agencies out there require qualifing with off duty pistol also?
 

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Thanks for the responses. We qualify with our off duty weapons also but it's not the same qualification course as our primary.
 

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I spent years looking for the perfect off duty piece. Glocks, 1911s, J frames, SP101s, Kahrs, other models of SIGs. I came to the realization that I was way better off spending my money on the best concealment leather I could find for what I was already issued. I am issued a SIG P229R. I carry it concealed everyday on and off duty. If I am in an off duty shooting it will be the departments gun that goes off to the crime lab and not my personal weapon. Labs in some places are famous for losing magazines, parts and generally ruining the finish on a weapon. I also have the most trigger time and training with this SIG thereby helping in any civil action.

I own a M&Pc 9mm and it is a great weapon but I just can't bring myself to do much more than shoot it at the range and keeping it handy around the house for my wife. Not because I don't trust it or anything like that. It is just a practical matter of using the weapon I have the most experience with to me.

If you are going to carry a full size M&P on duty then I think your best choice is to carry that off duty as well. Of the pistols you listed though the next best thing IMO would be a compact. You will have magazine commonality with your primary pistol, an action you are familiar with and you can share off duty holsters. It would make a great BUG also!
 

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str8shtr said:
Curious,how many other agencies out there require qualifing with off duty pistol also?


We require our members to qualify with backup and off duty weapons.


I've never worked for an agency that didn't require qualification with weapons one intended to carry "on the badge". In North Carolina Training and Standards requires it. In Virginia, the code only requires that an officer qualify with "a handgun", but every agency I worked for there required qualification with all on and off-duty weapons.



To answer the original question, I work for several different agencies and therefore have several different duty and off-duty weapons. At my full-time job it is an issued M&P40, and I carry a personally owned M&P40 at my part-time job. I carry DAO, DA/SA, and striker fired pistols. The only real constant is that none of them have manual safeties and all of them simply require pulling the trigger to go bang. My primary off duty weapons are my personally owned full-size M&P, a S&W 37-2 Airweight, and a Beretta 92D type M. I also carry a compact M&P from time to time.
 

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I really prefer to stick with the same. You want your muscle memory of trigger, handling, and sighting to be automatic. Of course it won't be anyway unless you shoot and practice a lot. My background is military though not LEO.
 

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Like narcodog, I also have gone through my quest for the best off duty weapon. I agree that finding the best concealment gear for the duty pistol is probably the best idea. My soon to be former issue pistol, Beretta 92fs, is large, but I have on occasion carried it off duty, even in shorts and t-shirt. To be honest though, I have usually found something smaller. The M&P9 that is sitting in the armory waiting to be issued seems like it might just be what I have been waiting for; a duty gun large enough to be easy to shoot and handle, but compact and light enough for 365 day a year carry. I'll let you all know after I've tried it! And yes, my dept., based on Ohio Peace Officer Training Council mandates, requires that we qualify at least once annually with any weapon we use, including long guns, off duty, etc. We do all weapons 3 times a year.
 

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Unless you have a good reason to select another weapon system, you're generally better off staying with one manual of arms and weapons platform. That tends to simplify training. The M&P Compact certainly seems like a good choice if you'll be carrying the M&P as your service weapon. In addition to having the same manual of arms of your duty gun, the Compact is relatively light-weight and reasonably priced.
 

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Unless you have a good reason to select another weapon system, you're generally better off staying with one manual of arms and weapons platform. That tends to simplify training.


+1 ... In the middle of a gunfight is the wrong time to figure out which switch is which.
 

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I carry on duty M&P 40 ,off duty/backup 40C (for liabilty reasons), and I instruct the same , you should be able to prove in court that you are familiar with your off duty as much as your on duty. We require our officers to also qualify with their off duty/backup just like their on duty and records are maintained as such.



Curious,how many other agencies out there require qualifing with off duty pistol also?


My agency requires us to qualify on any and all weapons we intend to carry off duty. If we get involved in an off-duty shooting with a weapon we aren't qualified through the agency to carry... We're on our own and in direct violation of policy.
 

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At my dept qualification with off duty weapons is the same as duty weapons.

I think HR 214 requires proof of qualification, no big deal if you dont travel.

I too have switched around off duty guns. But since I can carry outside my state I've been carrying when travelling the same off duty as my on duty. Except a MP compact instead of a full size. My area of the country is pretty LE friendly. I wonder about what would happen if something happened in a non friendly(gun or LE or self defence etc...) area. So I figured that the type of gun I carry off duty beibg the same as a duty MAY help take some of the issue away. Hopefully this is a mute point!
 

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I carry a Glock 22 on duty and a Glock 27 off duty, although sometimes I do carry a S&W 642

for backup or for my "to the convenience store and back" gun.



We are required to qualify with the backup and off duty guns at the same yardage as the primary

weapon, although the course of fire is different because of the different capacities of the off duty /

backup.



I just recently had to get an "armed security permit" to work a part time security gig in TN, and

the "instructors" had us load our mags to less than capacity and execute mag changes with

rounds left in our less than capacity filled mags. It seems to me that this is a dangerous practice

since you fight like you train, and if you are hardwired to change a 15 round mag at 8 to 10

rounds it seems to me to be a recipe for disaster. I know about "tactical reloads", but these

"instructors" didn't even talk about retaining partially filled mags.



Any comments from the instructors out there????
 

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I dont know what the reason is loading a mag part way then droppong it with rounds left in, if thats going to happen why not load itt all the way up. maybe its a state rule. for a long time my states qualification was' load six' . A hold over from revolver days. You can see where this is going being that I work in a metro area with officers that only carry a gun because they have to, and have no other intrest in them---

but thats one of many goofy stories
 
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