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Is it the officer or the gun ?





So, here I am cruising the M&P Forum and the above tag-line comes on as a teaser for the news.



I'm in Columbus, OH...they showed CPD's guns in the teaser... (I believe they are going from a xxx* to the M&P.)



Lets see how this plays out... :roll:





[* edit: Opps...old gun reported as 4906}
 

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where can I find or view this story? I need any and all M/p info as I am trying to get my dept to adopt this weapon
 
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I thought officers carried their gun "cruiser safe"



Where a loaded mag was inserted but with no round in the chamber, and safety on if there is any.
 

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Eddo-

Nope, least they shouldn't.



We- as a profession- should be carrying our pistols (regardless of make) with a round in the chamber.



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Word is they(columbus PD) were having issues with the blackhawk Serpa holsters and the M&P. I have one of these and never once felt like it was a safety issue and love the holster.
 

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A couple of my customers are police officers, and I let one of them borrow my M&P 40 and he loved it enough to go buy one! He said it was alot more comfortable to hold and shoot.
 

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Eddo36- chamber empty, mag loaded was the authorized carry in the military with the 1911 pistol. It was also the authorized Chicago carry for the same pistol (only authorized as a backup weapon) at about the same time frame.
 

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Eddo36 said:
I thought officers carried their gun "cruiser safe"



Where a loaded mag was inserted but with no round in the chamber, and safety on if there is any.


THis is typically how shotguns are carried in patrol cars. Mag loaded, chamber empty.
 

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The Army still tells it's MPs to carry pistols this way. As an NCO and patrol supervisor I instructed my guys to read a specific section of the patrol policy and determine how they wanted to carry.



Specifically the policy stated that the weapon was to be carried with a full magazine and no round in the chamber. In the event that an MP felt threatened he/she could chamber a round.



Personnaly I felt threatened at the begining of every shift.
 

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Well it’s not popular but heres my $.02 on the issue….



Of course you have to look at each incident; but generally speaking it’s the guns, and to be specific it’s Glock’s.

I’ve been in a couple of shootings and many times I have been to the point of putting my finger on the trigger while my weapon was on a suspect. I could not in my wildest dreams imagine carrying a duty weapon where I didn’t feel this was safe.



Look at the number of cops having AD/ND’s (whatever name you want to put on them) now a days compared to the past. And look at the weapons almost always in these situations.



You have a young group of Police Officers that are so brainwashed that they believe it is the Officers fault for putting his finger on the trigger and not because the Officer has a POS Glock that will discharge if you get near the trigger.



Common sense should tell you that if you can’t have your weapon in a position to fire without worrying about it discharging; you have the wrong weapon.
 

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I agree... thats not a popular way of thinking at all.



It seems to me that too many guys over the years got used to the heavy triggers and long pull of a S&W revolver... and now they are paying for it by shooting off a round everytime they put thier finger on the trigger.



I index when pointing at a suspect... and if I have to pull the trigger the round will go right where I point the firearm.



I got in enough firefights in Iraq to feel confident that all those years of running around with MILES gear was worth it. Index your freaking trigger finger and you won't have to worry about ADs... Glock, M&P, Shotgun or Laser Rifle... good to go.
 

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What pistol did the CPD used. Because if they had a DA pistol with a manual safety then they did not train the force to well. Thats why Smith made the Sigma series, as a transition pistol. Long trigger pull and heavy. But thats just my ranting. Hopefully they have corrected the Discharge problem!!
 

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"Personally I felt threatened at the beginning of every shift"



You are a wise man



It is a little optimistic to think you will have a chance to chamber a round



There is seldom a formal "declaration of hostilities" in war zones or on the streets



The problem with DA autos is that feeling of complacencey that comes with the long heavy pull



Most adult males are fully capable of exerting 15 pounds of pressure on the trigger if startled and even when squeezing their weak hand as in cuffing a suspect



And don;t get me started on those that forget to decock or always train SA
 

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My dad was a sheriff's deputy and they always carried with a round in the chamber and he kept it on safety because he worked security at the courthouse and was in close contact with a lot of people and his biggest worry was somebody grabbing it. I don't what the department policy was though. He carried a S&W autoloader, non Sigma and non M&P, a 400 something.
 
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