[ArnisAndyz]

Ordered my MP9 with NO Mag Disconnect and NO Safety from Budsgunshop.com for the sale price of $399.99 plus shipping. Confirmed it with my CC and sent a bank check and FFL information. Got confirmation that they recieved payment and FFL and that the gun will be shipping out soon. Got a call today saying the sale price was a "mistake" that they have a large order coming in of the model I ordered but it has not arrived yet. They said I could get a gun that has a Mag safety for the sale price, but I decided to wait a couple weeks to get the gun I ordered.

I go online to look at Buds inventory and they have the exact gun I ordered listed as "In-stock" but at a higher price. I'm just wondering why they can't ship the gun that they have on the shelf and then restock it when the new shipment arrives? Now I'm concerned that I'm going to wait 2 weeks, then they say they can't sell me the gun at the price I bought it at because of whatever, and in addition, miss out on the sale on the disconnect version of the gun.



As far as I'm concerned, I bought the gun at thier advertised price, they confirmed it and now they have my money and won't send my gun until this new batch comes in. I'm willing to let them work it out (as long as I get my gun at the price they quoted). Never dealt with Buds before and I'm a little concerned.

 

[chadc]

Did you call them and ask that question?

 

[ArnisAndyz]

Called, no answer, it was already after-hours. I sent them an email and will hopefully get a reply in the morning. Don't mean to badmouth Buds...just stating that i'm concerened and willing to let them make good on it. I'll let you know how it turns out.

 

[darklyte24]

wow sorry to hear that. I just ordered my .40 with nightsights for 522.11

emailed them a day after they raised the price from 497.98.

they wouldnt budge because they said SW raised their prices. just a day after.. i even said i was willing to buy a 100+ $ gun vault..

So i ordered my .40 with nightsights for 522.11 still a great price compared to other places. But heck whats with the bait and switch tactic?!! thats just not right!!

 

[ArnisAndyz]

You guys think I should just play it safe and get the gun with the Mag Safety and remove it? It looks better without the disclaimer written on it but I kind of wanted it removed from the factory in case of any rules interpitations with IDPA.

 

[darklyte24]

you sure wrote a long note, basically you want this model, and they claim it was a price mistake and want to sell it for a higher price to you right?

 

[raz-0]

Get on the phone in person, it's your best bet to get something worked out. At least in my experience.

 

[ArnisAndyz]

They'rte not trying to sell me the gun at a higher price, they're just not letting me buy the gun at the sale price...until somemore come in. I think I'm just going to get the MP with the Mag Disconnect they currently have on sale and in stock since it seems easy enough to remove (thanks Dan). I talked to our IDPA director and he said I won't have a problem removing it, he said it makes everyones life easier when showing clear, slidedown, hammer down.

 

[JohnN]

Ah.... the hazards of buying online.

 

[darklyte24]

well some of us dont live in states where a soda is a nickel.. so when we want something really bad we have to shop for the lowest price.. we do want to save some money.. :wink:

 

[scottr]

HAHA..Try paying what I do for toys and then ask me about wanting to save money.

 

[darklyte24]

what do you do?

 

[scottr]

what do you do?

My point was up in Canada we pay a lot more for firearms than a straight conversion of dollar value. So a few people are sourcing out nice dealers in the U.S to help us feed our addiction and save money at the same time by helping with import/export issues. Which in turn feeds the addiction even more...lol.

 

[BSTOCK]

ArnisAndyz: Last week I put a .40 and 9MM (no mag disconnect or lock) same as yours in my shopping cart @399. per gun. Went back the next day to order and the price was up to $447. I can't complain because I didn't finalize the transaction @ $399. Ended up getting a .40 and 9MM with no lock but with the mag disconnect at $399 each + $42 shipping for both pistols. Don't mind the mag disconnect because if you don't want it it's easy to defeat + no printing on the slide. They seem quite professional and I think the $399 was never meant to be listed for the no lock/disconnect model. I think it was a web site error. Just my thought on this. At their prices I don't think they would have to bait and switch. This was my first order from Bud's and like I said before they really seem to know their stuff and keep the customer informed of every step of the transaction. If I had completed the order @ $399 like you I would want the pistol for that price. I don't think you will have any problems with them. Never heard a bad word about Buds.

The best price I could find locally was $499 + 7% sales tax.

Good Luck and keep us informed.

 

[darklyte24]

Im 25.. i worked with computers all my life.. ok since i was 5.. so 20 yrs .. theres no way you can accidently put 399.99 8 times for 8 diffrent models on accident. The website doesnt input a price, a user does.. so it was either a user who misheard what the boss said or maybe they wanted to see how many orders they would get if they priced it low.



Im not talking smack to buds, heck i just bought a .40 from them with night sights even with the 22$+ price raise its still a better deal than all other online and local shops.



If they put out a price for a whole day and it was wrong and people ordered.. they should have at least given you a small discount or thrown in reduced shipping or something you know.. only helps them by giving a good word to 1 customer which will tell thier friends where they got thier m&p from and on and on.. which in returns gives them more business..

 

[ArnisAndyz]

Well, I decided to get the gun with the mag disconnect. At this point I just want a gun. I called them last Thursday afternoon (at noon) to let them know to change the gun to the Mag disconnect version. Checked the activity status and I'm still at "stage 1"...2 days later and they haven't even shipped it out yet. Gun was ordered 9/12. Payment recieved 9/18. It was a bank check...are they waiting for it process? I guess its still within their "7 day" after funds recieved time limit, but I'll call them again next week if I don't hear anything.



They admitted the sale price on the gun was a mistake. I guess the way they work is they pay "X" amount for each gun and need to get "Y" amount back. This is individual for each batch deal they make with Smith (or whoever). Still...I think it wouldn't have killed them to sell me the instock gun (the one I originally wanted) for the sale price that they posted on the website or at least expidite my order. Its called customer service. Just that little action and I would have felt like they have thier stuff together and given them good business through referals...instead I feel like I got the runaround. In the end, I guess it doesn't really matter what I say positive or negative about them because they have the lowest price around if you can actually get them at the sale price. After I get me gun I'll send them a link to this post and let them tell thier side of the story. As a consumer, I think I'll pay the extra money and support local business from now on.

 

[BSTOCK]

Im 25.. i worked with computers all my life.. ok since i was 5.. so 20 yrs .. theres no way you can accidently put 399.99 8 times for 8 diffrent models on accident. The website doesnt input a price, a user does.. so it was either a user who misheard what the boss said or maybe they wanted to see how many orders they would get if they priced it low.



Im not talking smack to buds, heck i just bought a .40 from them with night sights even with the 22$+ price raise its still a better deal than all other online and local shops.



If they put out a price for a whole day and it was wrong and people ordered.. they should have at least given you a small discount or thrown in reduced shipping or something you know.. only helps them by giving a good word to 1 customer which will tell thier friends where they got thier m&p from and on and on.. which in returns gives them more business..

darklyte24: Here is what I said about the wrong price, "If I had completed the order @ $399 like you I would want the pistol for that price." But on second thought if the prices were entered by error and caught the next day I guess any business would likely refuse honor the misquoted price. If a auto dealer wanted to advertise a $20,000 car and in error a 0 was omitted I don't think they would sell you the car for $2,000. I am one of those people that takes it real serious and too personal if someone tries to rip me off but I also strongly believe in not taking advantage of someone if a mistake is made. I want a fair deal and think the person on the other side of the transaction deserves the same. Like I stated before this was my first order from Bud's so I have no dog in this fight but Bud's has really impressed me with their updates on every step of this order. I think it was a honest mistake on Bud's part. Just a gut feeling and just my .02





ArnisAndyz: At the end of your post you stated, "As a consumer, I think I'll pay the extra money and support local business from now on.".



I respect your decisions, it's your $$ and I felt the same as you for most of my life. Just want to share what changed my mind.



I used to buy everything from my local dealers. I always spent quite a bit of $$ on my hobbies but when the AWB ended I purchased 11 weapons plus accessories from two dealers I had been doing business for decades. About 10K in over a period of a couple of months. Just after that I go into a group buy with AR15.com for a SERB (Special Edition Black Rifle) from Bushmaster. I had never had a firearm transferred before so I went to the two dealers I did the most business with and told them about the group buy and inquired about the transfer costs. The first dealer wanted $100 + 10% of the price + 7% sales tax for a total of $229.20. I told him that was way over the line and was politely told that's the best he would do. Second dealer wanted $125 transfer fee, 7% sales tax and a $40 fee for documents. Total $218.20. I then inquired at my gun club and was given a name of a FFL. Complete stranger to me and he transferred it for $20.

BTW, I am not that guy that walks in the door and the dealer sees dollar signs. I make informed purchases. Otherwise, I am not looked at as that fool that comes in and pays twice the price if a product says tactical on it etc. The dealers just got greedy.



Sorry for the rant but that's the reason I don't support my local dealers anymore. Now I support UPS.

Michael

 

[darklyte24]

what is the Should have been sale price? 447?..



your logic from 20,000 to 2000 does not work with this gun.

if it was supposed to be 39.99 or 3999.99 either one wont work.

how do you accidently put 399.99 from 447.47?.. or what ever the price is?

We are talking about 47$ not a 18000 diffrence.



my point was that if a customer orders it at a price your site listed and your company listed it incorrectly you should at least give him a discount from the original price and not the sale price. *meet half way kind of a thing*



It is just wrong for them to list it for 399.99 then leave it for a whole day while customers order it and you say oops sorry.



Sometimes I do support local shops and online.

 

[raz-0]

As a consumer, I think I'll pay the extra money and support local business from now on.

Yeah, I tried that.



In the "local" area (i.e. less than 50 miles), I have:



1) a place that treats you like crap unless you are a cop (then they just treat you like you are stupid) and charges easily 25% over what I would pay doing an online purchase with transfer. Won't order anything except more of what they have on the shelf, and won't do transfers for a reasonable price.



2) a place that won't order, buy, sell, or do transfers on anything that designed after WWII, and even some stuff between WWI and WWII is hit or miss. Complete jerks.



3) a place that is nice enough, but the people who run it are kind of crazy. Everything has three prices, The price if they don't like you (price on side A of label), the price if they do like you (price on side B of the label), and the price they will sell it at if they actually want to get rid of it. THey have good prices in online auctions, but buying face to face leaves you pretty much screwed 85% of the time. For example $700 for a used USP9 fullsize. $550 for a used glock. They don't do transfers.



4) I'll clump them into one. About six places that do long guns only. 2 of them will do transfers.



5) A place that runs about 20% over doing the internet thing, until you actually show up. Then they say oh.. you aren't a member.. and tack on another $60. Same thing with their transfers. Will NEVER do business with them EVER again.



6) a decent place that will transfer and order most things, but is only open from 10am to 4pm 3 days a week. I guess they don't do business with anyone but retirees.



7) A decent place that has limited stock, only semi-bad prices, but won't order anything.



Found a local FFL. Will order me anything I want that is legal here. Will order me factory accessories at cost when purchasing a gun (i.e. magazines), Charges me less or the same as any other transferring dealer, and is very helpful doing shipping for anything I sell online.



There are very few good local businesses for a lot of people. I find by and large a little patience with the online folks is a lot less hassle than what I have to deal with locally.

 

[TxPhantom]

They should be able to equal gun show prices!

If I can buy a MP40 for $409.95 + tax at a gun show, why can't a internet dealer sell one for $399.00. I don't buy the story that S & W is jumping their prices while trying to introduce a new product in this competitive market. Considering the extra money they make off shipping over charges and not paying for a store front or a gun show booth, you would think they would come out all right.

If I ever buy through the internet I will certainly check them out through the gun forums. That's one of the many benifits of a forum like this. I don't trust internet sales. :roll: