[Underwhere]

This little lever is driving me nuts. I don't see the purpose behind it and don't want to stick little objects in there just to field strip the gun.

Someone told me I could remove the thing but am looking for some confirmation on this board as to how to do so.



Has anyone removed it? A search netted me with nothing.

 

[tripwire]

Taking it out is not that hard by following the instructions hosted on Mr. Burwell's site;

http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com/M&Ptriggerjob1.htm



I took mine out following the instructions, and it worked out great.

 

[joetama]

I don't see a point to removing it.



With it gone the procedure for field strip would be the same as if you don't deactivate the sear. Just pull the trigger. After making sure the chamber is empty of course.



Also, I usually just flip mine with my finger when I check to make sure there is nothing in the chamber and everything is all clear.

 

[Erik]

I don't see a point to removing it.

What he said. The sear disconnect lever allows you to field strip the gun without pulling the trigger. That is the purpose behind it. Seems like a good thing to me; and the lever seems harmless.

 

[The Fish]

I've stripped my M&P's literally hundreds of times and just used my index finger to push the lever down.

I like the idea that it forces you to look into the action and the chamber to see that the gun is empty.

 

[tripwire]

With it gone the procedure for field strip would be the same as if you don't deactivate the sear. Just pull the trigger. After making sure the chamber is empty of course.

I don't know about the op, but this is the reason I removed mine. I did it to make removing the slide faster and easier. Plus I was never really big on sticking my finger into the chamber, accidentally hit the slide release and you just had a bad day at the range. I'm sure that's why S&W included the frame tool, but we all know your pinky is more field expedient.



If your safe and verify the status of your firearm, I don't see what the problem with removing it is.

 

[John]

This little lever is driving me nuts. I don't see the purpose behind it and don't want to stick little objects in there just to field strip the gun.

Someone told me I could remove the thing but am looking for some confirmation on this board as to how to do so.



Has anyone removed it? A search netted me with nothing.

Actually it would be easy looking at a sear block in my hand. Just remove the sear block and push the lower pin out. Once you have the sear block out you will see the pin.



Once you remove the take down lever keep the spring in case you want to replace it and it is hell to do if you don't know how. If you have the mag safety also that is a real pain to replace.



My suggestion is to get an extra sear block in case you screw up before you start

.



On the other hand why?

 

[jdmidwest]

I never really thought it was that big of a deal. When I read the instructions for takedown, I quickly realized that anything would be faster than removing the take down rod from the grip base. Ball point pen, toothpick, cleaning rod tip, screwdriver, etc, whatever is handy other than a finger that could get closed on by the slide release accidently. It is still better than having to drop the trigger like you have to with a Glock.



The pistol is designed with it and you will not gain anything by removing it, so why bother?

 

[joetama]

SO the issues are you don't want to risk your finger, you don't want to take the take down tool out of the grip, and you speed.



Simple fix without having to remove the lever.... Just pull the trigger like you do with a Glock. Solution, and you don't have to modify anything in the pistol.

 

[Underwhere]

Thanks for the tips and the opinions.

I'll take a look tonight.

 

[tripwire]

[quote name='joetama' date='Nov 10 2009, 01:40 AM' post='230158'



Simple fix without having to remove the lever.... Just pull the trigger like you do with a Glock. Solution, and you don't have to modify anything in the pistol.

[/quote]



Huh, that's why I love this forum. Always a chance to learn something new. For some reason I had it in my head that S&W's design with the lever disabled the trigger pull to release the sear. But your right, I just tried it on my new PRO, and it works to just pull the trigger. I must have been confused by my first M&P that had a mag disconnect.



Thanks for the info.

 

[Haji]

How often are you guys field stripping and cleaning your pistols? Most of the time I just wipe the funk off the feed ramp and breech face. I don't field strip and clean more often than 500 rounds, and usually somewhat more than that.



Because the MnP will run without scrubbing for so long, I don't take it apart that often, and because it gets stripped so infrequently, I don't typically bother with flipping the sear block lever. I strip it by pulling the trigger, which is the method I'm used to using with my Glocks. It works perfectly fine. Just triple check that it's empty before squeezing the trigger, and make sure you've got it pointed in a safe direction.

 

[JeffWard]

+1



1) Clear the gun.

2) Make sure the gun is clear.

3) Check again to see if it's cear.

4) Flip the take-down lever.

5) Pull the damn trigger.

6) Remove the slide...



Easy. Safe. Fast.



I clean once or twice a week. I shoot once or twice a week.



Did I remember to say... clear the gun first?



Jeff

 

[Storm52]

How often are you guys field stripping and cleaning your pistols? Most of the time I just wipe the funk off the feed ramp and breech face. I don't field strip and clean more often than 500 rounds, and usually somewhat more than that.



Because the MnP will run without scrubbing for so long, I don't take it apart that often, and because it gets stripped so infrequently, I don't typically bother with flipping the sear block lever. I strip it by pulling the trigger, which is the method I'm used to using with my Glocks. It works perfectly fine. Just triple check that it's empty before squeezing the trigger, and make sure you've got it pointed in a safe direction.

Haj: I run a bore snake through mine about 500 rds probably closer to 1000. At 2500 I'll field strip it to clean the gunk from the breech face, slide rails and around ejector. Most of the time, I clean them like I do my .22 rimfires...dirt affects accuracy, feeding or ejection.

 

[Underwhere]

I removed the lever, spring and pin.



Much nicer not having these blundering parts in there and much easier for me to simply lock the slide back, turn the takedown lever, drop the slide forward and pull the trigger.



My next issue is that the damn takedown lever always moves when removing and replacing the slide. Sometimes it get the slide stuck. Pain in the butt.

 

[KRWeiss]

I don't understand why someone would decide to pull the trigger while disassembling their weapon, obviously risking a negligent discharge, especially when a reasonable solution has been included in the design of their weapon. That's why they keep that barrel of sand at the police station? You needn't use the sand barrel unless you pull the trigger, from what I hear you had better not get caught skipping that step either.



You will need to decide if the time saved circumventing this safety is worth the risk of a negligent discharge taking the life or limb of family members, neighbors, co-workers or even complete strangers. Not to mention the disgrace and humiliation of becoming a heavily touted Brady Bunch statistic.

 

[Underwhere]

I don't understand why someone would decide to pull the trigger while disassembling their weapon, obviously risking a negligent discharge, especially when a reasonable solution has been included in the design of their weapon. That's why they keep that barrel of sand at the police station? You needn't use the sand barrel unless you pull the trigger, from what I hear you had better not get caught skipping that step either.



You will need to decide if the time saved circumventing this safety is worth the risk of a negligent discharge taking the life or limb of family members, neighbors, co-workers or even complete strangers. Not to mention the disgrace and humiliation of becoming a heavily touted Brady Bunch statistic.

I have several thousand rounds through my many Glocks. I have never had an issue unloading the gun, dropping the hammer in a safe direction as I removed the slide. That is the way you field strip a Glock. I don't hear of PD's nor civilians blowing holes in themselves and others because they field strip with live rounds.



I also don't see how this is any different than any sort of dry fire practice.



I drop the hammer after every IDPA string as well. Never had an ND because I drop the mag and check the chamber every time.





I don't think gun owners should be conditioned to be afraid to pull the trigger, but rather be conditioned to check the chamber before.



If I turn the M&P into the same process as the Glock I think I'll find it just as safe.



I think sticking my finger into an open an dirty ejection port while the slide is under 18 pounds of pressure ready to slam forward is more of a danger to me than my ability to rack the slide back to rotate the takedown lever (ensuring there is no magazine and also ensuring the action is open and I can see inside), check for a live round, drop the slide and drop the hammer in a safe direction.







On a side note, does your takedown lever have this burr on it? I'm thinking this may be why the thing keeps getting caught on disassembly and re-assembly.

 

[Underwhere]

 

[Underwhere]

It's hard to tell from pics but it is actually a small lump on the thing.

 

[dances with guns]

This little lever is driving me nuts. I don't see the purpose behind it and don't want to stick little objects in there just to field strip the gun.

Someone told me I could remove the thing but am looking for some confirmation on this board as to how to do so.



Has anyone removed it? A search netted me with nothing.

you don't have to use the sear disc lever to disassemble the gun!:



1. lock back the slide

2. push down the takedown lever on the left side of the gun.

3. release the slide fully forward

4. pull the trigger-the slide will come right off



this is the way i always do it, much quicker than messing with the little sear release lever.