In a post from ArnisAndyz - "I ended up just taking the entire sear disconnect grouping out including the mag safety instead of putting the little spring in. Just have to pull the slide back slightly to put a little tension on the striker, then pull the trigger for takedown."
I recently purchased a M&P-9 and have been reading most of the posts on this forum. Nice gun that has great potential. I have been pretty much a happy Glock shooter, but if I warm up to this M&P like I suspect I will, my Glocks may start collecting dust. Gaston Glock may actually have to come down off his high horse and start building what US customers want. It looks like S&W got the Sigma completely out of their system and thought this one out. I have a few minor gripes about the M&P, but they are either very minor or cosmetic. I am very pleased to see that S&W has already started to respond to suggestions for improvements (better slide lock/release now on current models, etc.)
I am not big on magazine safeties however, and did found the “great” instructions for removing it. While searching I also ran across the post above by ArnisAndyz. I don't really like having to finger the sear disconnect or pull out the grip tool to accomplish take down and this is one of the very few things that I don’t like on the M&P. I do not understand exactly what the sear disconnect is doing, but I assume it is pushing the sear off the trigger bar or vis-versa, so that the slide will come off.
I like ArnisAndyz's approach. It would be sort of like a Glock where you pull the trigger and then pull the slide back slightly while pulling down latch to get the slide off, where as with this M&P method you would apparently just pull the trigger, retract the slide a bit and off it would come. As long as the 4 core safety rules were followed (modifying #2), you should not have a safety issue with removing the slide this way – as far as I can tell.
So finally I get to the real question. Are there any other safety or mechanical issues that I am missing on this. It seems to me that by removing both the mag safety and sear disconnect, you have made the piece less complicated. And, I also wondered if some type of mal function of the sear disconnect could cause the gun to stop, fail to fire, etc.
I suspect the take down method with the sear disconnect (and the mag safety) were lawyer generated. I am impressed with the level of M&P knowledge by many of the board members and would like hear opinions on my concern and observation concerning removal of both items as described by ArnisAndyz's
Thanks - TEX
I recently purchased a M&P-9 and have been reading most of the posts on this forum. Nice gun that has great potential. I have been pretty much a happy Glock shooter, but if I warm up to this M&P like I suspect I will, my Glocks may start collecting dust. Gaston Glock may actually have to come down off his high horse and start building what US customers want. It looks like S&W got the Sigma completely out of their system and thought this one out. I have a few minor gripes about the M&P, but they are either very minor or cosmetic. I am very pleased to see that S&W has already started to respond to suggestions for improvements (better slide lock/release now on current models, etc.)
I am not big on magazine safeties however, and did found the “great” instructions for removing it. While searching I also ran across the post above by ArnisAndyz. I don't really like having to finger the sear disconnect or pull out the grip tool to accomplish take down and this is one of the very few things that I don’t like on the M&P. I do not understand exactly what the sear disconnect is doing, but I assume it is pushing the sear off the trigger bar or vis-versa, so that the slide will come off.
I like ArnisAndyz's approach. It would be sort of like a Glock where you pull the trigger and then pull the slide back slightly while pulling down latch to get the slide off, where as with this M&P method you would apparently just pull the trigger, retract the slide a bit and off it would come. As long as the 4 core safety rules were followed (modifying #2), you should not have a safety issue with removing the slide this way – as far as I can tell.
So finally I get to the real question. Are there any other safety or mechanical issues that I am missing on this. It seems to me that by removing both the mag safety and sear disconnect, you have made the piece less complicated. And, I also wondered if some type of mal function of the sear disconnect could cause the gun to stop, fail to fire, etc.
I suspect the take down method with the sear disconnect (and the mag safety) were lawyer generated. I am impressed with the level of M&P knowledge by many of the board members and would like hear opinions on my concern and observation concerning removal of both items as described by ArnisAndyz's
Thanks - TEX
