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Great that the 507k "fits" but does it sit low enough (like the Crimson Trace) to allow co-witness with the standard iridium front and rear sights on the Shield 9mm 2.0 PC?
I am also looking to put a red dot on mine.... but want co-witness capability... if the Holosun allows that low profile I'm all in... or do you have to get extended front and rear sights? I love the iridium sights as they pop in even low light... so want to keep them.... I was just going to go with the CT-1550 due to how low it sits and the fact that you don't have to replace sights... comments?
 

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I am also looking to put a red dot on mine.... but want co-witness capability... if the Holosun allows that low profile I'm all in... or do you have to get extended front and rear sights? I love the iridium sights as they pop in even low light... so want to keep them.... I was just going to go with the CT-1550 due to how low it sits and the fact that you don't have to replace sights... comments?
I've been using RDS since late 2015, I can't understand the point of people wanting night sights and RDS.

Your eyes are only able to focus on ONE thing at a time, if you have night sights and an RDS that is 4 illuminated dots to interfere with your ability to get on target quickly.

I run all black back up sights on my guns for the above reason, it keeps things simple.

As to which RDS to use, Halosun is a Chinese company selling Chinese made sights, Crimson Trace is owned by S&W an American company but there RDS are made in China. The CT sights have been problematic, I'm seeing many defective sights on different forums and YouTube.
The old saying "you get what you pay for" is very true.

I use and recommend Trijicon RDS since they are an American company making an American product.
Are they more expensive, yes.
Ask yourself what is the value of your life and supporting your country worth?
The Trijicon sights will require new back up sights (suppressor height), the all black sights for the small guns are about $55
 

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I reached out to CHWPS on their shield plate for the 507k fitting the shield plus and they said it fit. I ordered it just from a low-modification perspective (i wasnt sure if just grinding the rear lugs off with no coating would end up with corrosion problems later).
This is it S&W M&P® 2.0 SHIELD to Holosun 407K / 507K - C&H Precision Weapons it does fit - but works like a spacer, a few things...
  • there are no lugs, just the attachment screws (would they shear over time)
  • there is no gap or plate overlap (nice fit - good specs)
  • I dont need to re-coat anything
I'll need to run it and see if it holds zero with just the screws (the plate covers all 4 lugs on the RMSc footprint)
Just ordered this, as well, but it is on backorder. I'll report back once I get it installed.
 

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I reached out to CHWPS on their shield plate for the 507k fitting the shield plus and they said it fit. I ordered it just from a low-modification perspective (i wasnt sure if just grinding the rear lugs off with no coating would end up with corrosion problems later).
This is it S&W M&P® 2.0 SHIELD to Holosun 407K / 507K - C&H Precision Weapons it does fit - but works like a spacer, a few things...
  • there are no lugs, just the attachment screws (would they shear over time)
  • there is no gap or plate overlap (nice fit - good specs)
  • I dont need to re-coat anything
I'll need to run it and see if it holds zero with just the screws (the plate covers all 4 lugs on the RMSc footprint)
Have you got this mounted? Curious as to if using the plate allows you to co-witness or if it makes the 507K too high.
 

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I've been using RDS since late 2015, I can't understand the point of people wanting night sights and RDS.

Your eyes are only able to focus on ONE thing at a time, if you have night sights and an RDS that is 4 illuminated dots to interfere with your ability to get on target quickly.

I run all black back up sights on my guns for the above reason, it keeps things simple.

As to which RDS to use, Halosun is a Chinese company selling Chinese made sights, Crimson Trace is owned by S&W an American company but there RDS are made in China. The CT sights have been problematic, I'm seeing many defective sights on different forums and YouTube.
The old saying "you get what you pay for" is very true.

I use and recommend Trijicon RDS since they are an American company making an American product.
Are they more expensive, yes.
Ask yourself what is the value of your life and supporting your country worth?
The Trijicon sights will require new back up sights (suppressor height), the all black sights for the small guns are about $55
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I've been using RDS since late 2015, I can't understand the point of people wanting night sights and RDS.

Your eyes are only able to focus on ONE thing at a time, if you have night sights and an RDS that is 4 illuminated dots to interfere with your ability to get on target quickly.

I run all black back up sights on my guns for the above reason, it keeps things simple.

As to which RDS to use, Halosun is a Chinese company selling Chinese made sights, Crimson Trace is owned by S&W an American company but there RDS are made in China. The CT sights have been problematic, I'm seeing many defective sights on different forums and YouTube.
The old saying "you get what you pay for" is very true.

I use and recommend Trijicon RDS since they are an American company making an American product.
Are they more expensive, yes.
Ask yourself what is the value of your life and supporting your country worth?
The Trijicon sights will require new back up sights (suppressor height), the all black sights for the small guns are about $55
What Trijicon sight would fit and is a bracket need I have a optics ready m&p 9mm?
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What Trijicon sight would fit and is a bracket need I have a optics ready m&p 9mm?
Thanks
If it's a full size M&P you can use the RMR or SRO either will fit, but the extra plates required I have no idea which one is needed.

I run RMR's on my guns, some prefer the SRO so look at both and see which on fits your needs.

I have two M&P's with RMR's but the slides were milled for the sights so no extra garbage required like the factory cuts need.
 

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Just ordered this, as well, but it is on backorder. I'll report back once I get it installed.
I just received the adapter plate from CHPWS for my Shield Plus. I have it all mounted up to a 507K X2. I have only adjusted zero with a bore Lazer thus far and I've noticed I've ran out of adjustments. I have the Elevation adjustment maxed out. It can't turn any further and it appears to need just a few clicks more to get it zeroed ☹
 

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I just received the adapter plate from CHPWS for my Shield Plus. I have it all mounted up to a 507K X2. I have only adjusted zero with a bore Lazer thus far and I've noticed I've ran out of adjustments. I have the Elevation adjustment maxed out. It can't turn any further and it appears to need just a few clicks more to get it zeroed ☹
Ended up going with a crimson trace micro rad pro arrives tomorrow Thursday. Will report back how i like it. No bracket needed mounts right on optics ready shield plus 9mm
 

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I ended up taking my slide and having the nubs grinder off and re costed. Now the 507k works on my Shield plus. This has been expensive and a pain in the ass. I love my M&p however for a smaller gun I would recommend gong with the Glock 43x or the 48. Sorry Smith and Wesson&p you did this to your self.
 

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I ended up taking my slide and having the nubs grinder off and re costed. Now the 507k works on my Shield plus. This has been expensive and a pain in the ass. I love my M&p however for a smaller gun I would recommend gong with the Glock 43x or the 48. Sorry Smith and Wesson&p you did this to your self.
Research before purchasing. This is not a S&W problem.
I have three Holosun rifle sights because I like Circle/Dot. BUT...
Holosun pistol sights do not use a standard SMS/JPoint footprint. Holosun does not make a fully compliant optic and omits holes for the rear two studs (Shield/JPoint spec) while also making the front ones shallower.
per Holosun website: "whereas the new 'K' models have a modification of the Shield (SMS) footprint instead."
Some pistol manufacturers have omitted the rear two studs and sometimes the Holosun fits.
Smith actually did it to a standard. I will opt for the Crimson RAD Micro (for co-witness) with the proper mount. If people stop milling their slides just to accommodate Holosun then "maybe" Holosun will adapt their footprint. Otherwise buy a pistol without Optics Slide (for less) and have it cut for Holo.
Also see https://optics-info.com/footprints-on-red-dot-sights/
 

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Research before purchasing. This is not a S&W problem.
I have three Holosun rifle sights because I like Circle/Dot. BUT...
Holosun pistol sights do not use a standard SMS/JPoint footprint. Holosun does not make a fully compliant optic and omits holes for the rear two studs (Shield/JPoint spec) while also making the front ones shallower.
per Holosun website: "whereas the new 'K' models have a modification of the Shield (SMS) footprint instead."
Some pistol manufacturers have omitted the rear two studs and sometimes the Holosun fits.
Smith actually did it to a standard. I will opt for the Crimson RAD Micro (for co-witness) with the proper mount. If people stop milling their slides just to accommodate Holosun then "maybe" Holosun will adapt their footprint. Otherwise buy a pistol without Optics Slide (for less) and have it cut for Holo.
Also see https://optics-info.com/footprints-on-red-dot-sights/
There is no standard.
S&W owns crimson trace so they setup the guns to use their product simply as a money crap
Crimson trace dots are crap quality and made in china. If you want to support China at least holosun is better quality.

I run Trijicon on my guns, 100% American made and tip tier quality, but I have to get the slides milled for this. I have a shield plus sitting in the safe with an RMRcc waiting to go to the shop.

Trijicon has been making RDS way longer than ANY Chinese company, so "standard" should be the Trijicon footprint, but due to money it is not.

The same goes for Sig, they have their own RDS so the cut their slides to fit their products.
 

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There is no standard.
S&W owns crimson trace so they setup the guns to use their product simply as a money crap
Crimson trace dots are crap quality and made in china. If you want to support China at least holosun is better quality.

I run Trijicon on my guns, 100% American made and tip tier quality, but I have to get the slides milled for this. I have a shield plus sitting in the safe with an RMRcc waiting to go to the shop.

Trijicon has been making RDS way longer than ANY Chinese company, so "standard" should be the Trijicon footprint, but due to money it is not.

The same goes for Sig, they have their own RDS so the cut their slides to fit their products.
Crimson, Jpoint, Shield, ADE, Burris, Vortex, Leupold, Sig, Canik, Springfield, S&W, Ruger, Glock all make Shield SMS/RMSc/JPoint compatible optics and slide cuts. Maybe not a "standard" but lots of stuff available in this footprint. Holosun is a modification of this footprint.

In the end, you did it best - get the slide cut for what you want.
 

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Hi Jameson!

I saw you mentioned that you own a few Shield Performance Center pistols. I recently purchased a Shield Plus Performance Center (w red dot) and I'm looking for a quality holster.

Question - do prior holsters for the Shield PC pistol, still fit perfectly for the new Shield Plus PC pistol?

Thanks in advance for any tips!
Sonny
 

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I just purchased the new shield Plus with the Crimson trace red dot.
I own a few performance center Pistols, and I’m very happy with them.

FYI the Crimson trace red dot that comes with this new shield Plus pistol is of very low quality.
I am very disappointed in this optic that Smith and Wesson has chosen for this performance center pistol.
when tightening The optic to the pistol, the red dot stops working, In order for the red dot to stay on you need to leave the screws slightly loose On your gun. I have already given away the Crimson trace read dot. I’m trying to find a higher quality red dot that shares the same mounting screw thread pattern and Mounting foot print. I am currently waiting for Smith and Wesson to e mail A response to my conundrum. I paid $ 899.00 for this firearm including the CT red dot, I’m very nervous of what my final cost Is going to be After I replace the red dot. I wish this new shield plus had the same quality optic as the first Shield optic ready that I purchased 3 years ago.
At least you were able to jjstsll the red dot. My new gun came with stripped screws. I swear a video where someone had the same issue. If u could return the gun I would. Piece of garbage.
 

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Any updates to this? I really want a 507K on my Shield Plus to match my 507C on my other pistols but I’m concerned the C&H plate doesn’t fit well. It seems like there is a very slight gap towards the back and I’m also unsure if only having the two screws hold everything in place without the lugs will last. Thanks in advance.
 
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