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My uncle's brother's sister dated this guy who used to know somebody that worked as a mall security guard, and he said all you need is a taser...

On the other hand, we have Federal's ballistic testing, the FBI's ballistic testing, the Marshall study, and the work of Greg Elefritz which actually studied the police reports and interviewed the professionals, police officers and coroners, from thousands of real life police shootings and compiled factual data regarding the performance of actual rounds of ammunition on the street...

Hmmm, tough to know who to believe...

This guy took a .40 center mass in the chest about half way through the encounter, got back in his car, drove a half mile, pulled over and died. In the video when he's picking up his magazine off the ground in front of the patrol car he's got a .40 - 180 grain gold dot hollowpoint in the center of his chest: a fatal wound. Still looking pretty spry to me. (Watching this makes me want a .308 chambered handgun)

 

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I saw a video today of a shooting over the weekend. Montgomery county Maryland deputy put 12 rounds into a guy center mass before he stopped advancing.
I can't find what guns are used by that sheriff office but either way it took more than a few rounds to stop the threat.

The video is inside the story at this link.

WARNING: Graphic video!

If you don't like adult language DO NOT watch the video, the guy recording with his cell phone drops the F bomb very often.

Rumor has it that the Maryland Shooting involved 12 rounds of .40, not 9mm... still trying to confirm that though. *But somebody else said it was a Glock 17, so who knows?)

But here's some more light reading:

Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job
The bad guy, not high on drugs, absorbed 14 rounds of .45 ACP from a Glock 21

“I thought I was hitting him, but with shots going through his clothing it was hard to tell for sure. This much was certain: he kept moving and kept shooting, trying his damnedest to kill me.”

In this free-for-all, the assailant had, in fact, been struck 14 times. Any one of six of these wounds – in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney..."

"Remarkably, the gunman was still showing vital signs when EMS arrived. Sheer determination, it seemed, kept him going, for no evidence of drugs or alcohol was found in his system.

He was transported to a trauma center where Gramins (the Police Officer) also was taken. They shared an ER bay with only a curtain between them as medical personnel fought unsuccessfully to save the robber’s life.

At one point Gramins heard a doctor exclaim, “We may as well stop. Every bag of blood we give him ends up on the floor. This guy’s like Swiss cheese. Why’d that cop have to shoot him so many times!”
 

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When we were at Little Rock AFB in the early 70's two of the guards/MPs escorting the vehicles that went to/from the Titan Missile silos got bored while waiting at one of the sites. They got to playing quick draw with their issue .38's and one of them shot the other one in the chest. I don't remember, now, whether they put him in an ambulance to get him to the hospital or called a chopper in to airlift him. He survived. Shot through the heart. He told people, later, that if anyone had told him he'd been shot through the heart he'd have just given up and died.

Funny things happen sometimes. So, as someone on another forum says, "shoot them to the ground." Real life is not a western where one shot ends the fight, the bad guy goes down and dies and the good guy goes home with the pretty girl.
 

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I think it's all quite subjective. I have a 357Sig M&P, plus a .40S&W barrel as well as a 9mm conversion barrel. While the 9mm is a little easier to shoot, I don't find any of the 3 cartridges clearly superior to the others in terms of recoil or shootability.
 

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I bought the M&P 40c in 2012 while living in Connecticut. I used the full size 40 at work as a nuclear power plant security officer and wanted something similar at home to practice with and to carry.

Four years and a few thousand rounds later I decided to make some modifications I'd been mulling over for some time.
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The beginning of that year I bought a Storm Lake .357 Sig barrel. Based on what I had read on this forum, it was a simple drop in conversion just as expected.

The Sig is great; I find I have tighter groups than with the 40 and the recoil isn't much more than before.

A few months later I made another change, a first for me. I took the handgun apart and installed the Apex FSS kit and RAM.
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Because I needed to take the rear sight off I replaced the sights with TruGlo TFO tritium fiber optics at this time.

In 2018 I bought a Storm Lake 9mm conversion barrel that was on sale, I now had all three calibers to work with on my compact. The nice thing was, the sights and trigger were what I was used to and had been broken in. And like others have said, it makes it easy to change and compare the performance and handling of each cartridge.

Because Connecticut is a restricted state I could only carry ten round mags so I kept the compact as a 357 Sig to try to make each round count.

In late 2019 Walmart decided to abruptly and without any publicity liquidate their pistol ammo at fire sale prices. I had the chance to hit two Walmart stores in my area that night after my shift and buy up all the 40 S&W they had - the 9mm and 357 Sig were already gone. I had never bought so much ammo before but the price was just too good to pass up.

Then 2020 happened. One of the few things I could still do when everything shut down was go to my rod and gun club and use the ranges. I was going once or twice a week, and I never had to worry about running out of ammo - 40 caliber that is. If I only had a 9, or God forbid, 357, I would have been screwed. As it is, I still have some of that 40 on hand!

That’s why I recommend anyone with a 40 S&W handgun should get a 9 and maybe even a 357 barrel. You may like the different cartridge and you have options should 9mm become scarce or expensive.
 
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