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I am having a hard time focusing on my front sight when trying to shoot with both eyes open. When I look at the sights in line with both eyes open the front sight doubles or becomes fuzzy. I do not wear glasses but do when reading and I have tried focusing on my sights with my reading glasses on and I still have the same problem. I have read that the best method for shooting a pistol and getting a good sight picture is to have both eyes open. I do OK when using my dominant eye only but would like to learn with the best method. Any suggestions ?
 

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First, while I think shooting with both eyes open is better than shooting with one eye scrunched closed, it's not the be-all end-all factor in shooting. Plenty of successful shooters close one eye.



Second, slow static shooting at 15m and 25m is a lot different than reactive shooting at closer ranges. There are people who normally shoot with both eyes open but would then squint or close one eye when shooting at those distances.



But the technique for acquiring your sights is pretty much the same regardless. Look at the target, specifically focusing on the smallest part or point on the target that you can see. Then you raise the gun and as the gun interrupts your line of sight, you pick up the front sight and focus on it. You drive the front sight into the point on the target you want to shoot.



While other techniques (focus on the target, "soft" focus on the front sight, etc) can be used under some circumstances, they're not really well suited to 15m and 25m distances. The front sight is going to be the key to accuracy at that range, along with proper trigger manipulation.



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I learned years ago, that more shooters than not shoot with both eyes shut.



Eyes open? I'll have to try that someday.
 

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try a piece of celophane tape on your shooting glasses over the non-shooting eye right where it wants to see the front sight. I did this for about a year before I felt comfortable taking it off. You need to train the dominant eye to focus on the front sight while allowing the non-dominant eye to blur out or at least not look at the sight. The tape is like training wheels until you can do it on your own.
 

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Thanks for the sugesstion. I saw some people on a show (new shooters) at a range that had tape on their shooting glasses and was wondering what was the purpose behind this. I will give that a try. I have been shooting mostly rifles since about 8 years of age and have always used my dominant eye only, now shooting pistols I want to try the most correct procedure to try and get more accurate.
 

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I went from one-eye to both eyes a while back. SWMBO asked my why I was squinting and I told her that this was the way I always shot. She told me I was wrong. As usual, I knew better and did some research. Appears to be a shooter's choice. However, if you close one eye the pupil in the open eye dilates a bit, making it harder to focus, according to a Bullseye shooter, Dr. Norman Wong. I started some dry exercises with both eyes open and got double vision on the sights. Tried sighting with the right eye open and the left closed, then opening the left eye. The focus was almost instantaneous. After a week or two, it was totally natural to focus with both eyes, just like you do everywhere but shooting. Wong had a lot of theory about the non-dominant eye not really focusing.



I think I shoot better with both eyes focusing on the front sight. It's hard to tell with my shooting. There are days I can hit the broad side of a barn only if I'm in the barn, it smells bad and there is one-hole on the horizontal board. Anything larger and, pardon the pun, it's a crap shoot.
 

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I feel that it's a matter of practice, I shot for many years by closing my non dominant eye, but when I took up competitive shooting everyone told me to use both eyes, with practice it became totally natural, the dominant eye is in charge. I used that technique for years in Bullseye shooting and then moved over to PPC and worked my way up to Master Class in PPC with a revolver.
 

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I like shooting with both eyes open. It did take a little while to get beyond the double vision, I wish I would have seen this post back when I switched from 1 eye to 2. Oh well it worked out, proably just to a little longer
 

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greener said:
if you close one eye the pupil in the open eye dilates a bit, making it harder to focus, according to a Bullseye shooter, Dr. Norman Wong.


Interesting...I didn't think of that. I guess it really depends on what your intentions are in pistol shooting. If its plinking, target shooting, bullseye shooting at a stationary target, I don't see how closing one eye would hurt accuracy (other than above). Squinting or closing an eye does add tension to the face though. If your sport is pistol action shooting where you engage multiple targets and you are closing an eye you will be constantly be opening and closing looking for targets and the front sight. I think both eyes pickup on a target focal length and while the dominant eye gets on the front sight the non-dominant tends to stay there while the shooting eye focus on the sight which is why it appears to be blurred (your brain is picking up inputs from your dominant eye more than your non-dominant eye).



By having both eyes open you have a better sense of awareness of whats around you which is better for multiple targets or in a defensive situation.
 

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I've been trying to learn to shoot with both eyes open for shooting plates. At age 60 with tri focals, I had a hard time switching over to both eyes open after years of shooting with one eye open. I had some prescription glasses made that had the right eye (dominant) focused on the front sight and the left eye focused on distance. This works much better for me and I think I'm gaining but I find, when shooting in competition, I revert to closing the left eye. I just need to practice more, I think.



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I've been trying to learn to shoot with both eyes open for shooting plates. At age 60 with tri focals, I had a hard time switching over to both eyes open after years of shooting with one eye open. I had some prescription glasses made that had the right eye (dominant) focused on the front sight and the left eye focused on distance. This works much better for me and I think I'm gaining but I find, when shooting in competition, I revert to closing the left eye. I just need to practice more, I think.



rjs


I'm not sure there is a right way to do it. Whatever works best. I'm better with both eyes open but it took some work to adjust from non-dominant eye closed. One of the things that helped was shooting with red dot scopes and reflex scopes. Still, when I went open sights, it felt as though my eyes were crossing for a short time.



I know how much fun you are having since I'm closing in quickly on 61. The "ideal" sight picture is the rear sight slightly blurred and the target slightly blurred. Got that down pat. The problem is with bifocals the front sight is also blurred. I tried a couple-three optometrists who gave me a blank look when I described what I wanted to do and where the bifocals should focus. Finally found an ex-Marine at Walmart who understood how to look at weapon sights.



I've been thinking about switching the M&P front sights to a Hi-Viz type because I can see them better. Either that or wait until someone comes along with a strobe light front sight.
 

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I've been thinking about switching the M&P front sights to a Hi-Viz type because I can see them better. Either that or wait until someone comes along with a strobe light front sight.


I bought a pack of florescent, Testor's paint in the little bottles and used the flor. orange in the front sight. On the rear sight, I filled the white dots in with melted, black crayon. The combo works much better than the original sights for me.



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I found the best way to get used to it is to aim your EMPTY pistol at a wall , white in color would be nice , have the muzzle close to the wall. Bring the pistol up from your waist as when drawing it and look for the sites. This gives your eyes only one distance to focus on. If you have degrading vision it will always be tuff. sj
 

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Both Eyes

In a fight for your life, I can assure you will not be closing either eye. They will be as wide open as they can be!



Your brain will have just one more thing to deal with (that it doesn't need) at the moment of truth, if you don't train to shoot both eyes open. Things just won't "look" right.



Like anything else, it a learned skill and isn't hard to acquire if you PRACTICE.
 

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Plenty of successful shooters close one eye.



Yup, bullseye shooters




If you want extreme accuracy for some reason at considerable distance, close the non dominant eye [ if you have one as some people are neutral and don't have a dominant side ].



For SD, at distances under 15 meters, both eyes open, threat focused. Groups using threat focused skills at that range only need to be within combat accuracy, thats 8 inches COM. Those who've been shown how to threat focus shoot can hold 4 inches or less all day at 15 meters [ 1/2 of whats required to make COm hits.



Both eyes open unless you are bullseye shooting or need a precise shot for some reason [ unlikely in a SD situation on the streets. Train for the fight.



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In a fight for your life, I can assure you will not be closing either eye. They will be as wide open as they can be!



Your brain will have just one more thing to deal with (that it doesn't need) at the moment of truth, if you don't train to shoot both eyes open. Things just won't "look" right.



Like anything else, it a learned skill and isn't hard to acquire if you PRACTICE.


DITTO. It's also a matter of what kind of shooting you plan on doing too.



I like to do both. But realistically, I always put time in for shooting with both eyes open. In a life or death situation, squinting an eye could turn out hazardous. Especially with multiple targets.



I am fortuante enough to have brothers that are in federal law enforcement, so I always get info on what's new or what is being taught.

There is one method that works really well, for me that is, and if you're right eye dominant and right handed. Three dot sights will help immensely or some kind of hi vis sights.



Take your pistol, extended out as if you are about to shoot. One hand or two, it doesn't matter. Point it at some kind of object's center mass. Like a can or a plate. Even better, a silhouette target. Don't line your eye(s) up with the sights. Place the dots in a triangle formation. Next, place this formation under your desired point of impact on the target. Most of the time what looks like half an inch under POI. This measurement can vary due to where you line up your pistol relative to you eyes. Just find the extension where you're comfortable at. Or even better, train in as many as you can.

If you can, hold that sight picture and lower your eye into the sights and BANG, you will most likely be in the 90% or more hit percentage




Hope this helps
 

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I shoot right handed, but have always aimed with my left eye (as it is the dominate one). It wasn't too difficult, but sometimes a little awkward. Just this summer I started shooting with both eyes open and I have really become comfortable with it and it seems natural now.



I think it offers a tactical advantage as well, giving you a wider field of view, and better depth perception.
 
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