Is this the big announcement tomorrow morning? A 13+1 Shield? I am all in!
That is sad, to me "new product release" should be a "new product", not a copy of what everybody else did years ago. Sig has a 15rd 365XL and the SA hellcat has 13 rounds in the shorter barrel.I've been waiting for them to take on Sig and Springfield with a double stack Shield. I have to admit I am envious of my sons Sig 365.
I agree 100% I own the Shield 1.0 and it’s good but not my favorite. A friend got the Shield EZ and I got to try it out it made me super excited for what might be to come. I was hoping for SW to lose the grip safety and change the mag and have a 13-15rd slimline compact as well as a shield with more capacity. The Plus will still be bigger than the sig p365 and hold a comparable round count but isn’t anything drastic or revolutionary and just barely catching up with competition. The major benefit would be if it’s compatible with existing shield holsters, otherwise we might as well transition to a 365.That is sad, to me "new product release" should be a "new product", not a copy of what everybody else did years ago. Sig has a 15rd 365XL and the SA hellcat has 13 rounds in the shorter barrel.
If S&W makes a big deal over a Shield that holds less ammo than the competition, I will be 100% disappointed.
Right? If a gun fairy said they could give you a better trigger and 10+1/13+1 capacity in the already proven reliability and excellent ergonomics of the Shield, 100% of people would have said YES PLEASE. Not sure why folk are complaining!Interesting. Folks here have been lamenting why Smith hasn't upgraded the Shield's capacity. Well, here we are and they're still not happy. Glock went thru the same "late to the party" criticism with their 42 & 43 models and managed to muddle thru. I won't be in the market only because I'm happy, (and proficient), with my ancient Gen 1 Shield. To the capacity crowd, I'll paraphrase Clint Smith, "Instead of shooting more, try shooting good."
One of the reason we are saying no thanks is they are YEARS late, I already have two different guns this size with the same capacity. They brought nothing new to the table, AGAIN. Why settle?Right? If a gun fairy said they could give you a better trigger and 10+1/13+1 capacity in the already proven reliability and excellent ergonomics of the Shield, 100% of people would have said YES PLEASE. Not sure why folk are complaining!
No one ever wished they had less ammo!
Ruger came out with their version the Ruger Max 9, and hours later S&W told them “hold my beer”.
They might be years late in your opinion, but they will still sell millions of them. The Sig P365 was first announced in early 2018. Hellcat in late 2019. You know it takes a company at least a year if not 2 years from initial concept to launch date?? And before that even starts, they're going to first gauge the market and see how the competitor model is faring, and how the consumer market is reacting to it. Then once they decide to compete against it, they go to work. Smith had to design a mag that would work in the existing Shield footprint, same mechanical internals (to keep the infamous reliability) and not make us guinea pig testers like Sig did to everyone. I'd RATHER it be like this than an entirely new gun brought to the table. They had make a design that would get around Sig's patent. And they are a public, for profit company, so of course they are going to try and wait so they can sell as many 2.0 Shields as possible before introducing another Shield of this magnitude. They don't want to cannibalize product lines. And with the record breaking surge in gun sales in 2020 I'm sure this led them to delay the launch as they knew they could sell tons of guns without having to release a new one. Sure it would've been nice if it came out a year ago but I'm not complaining. Now with all of the above in mind, it should be quite obvious why this is "years late". I wouldn't be surprised if Smith delayed the launch date by up to a year due to the unprecedented demand for firearms in 2020, they didn't need to release anything. People were and still are buying anything they can get their hands on.One of the reason we are saying no thanks is they are YEARS late, I already have two different guns this size with the same capacity. They brought nothing new to the table, AGAIN. Why settle?
Guaranteed you're wrong! There's dozens and dozens of hands on reviews on YouTube pouring in, and some very prominent and respected shooters who shoot tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of rounds a year. Word is that the trigger is does not suck and is quite nice. Flat faced trigger, 4-5 lbs pull weight (which many reviewers are getting less than 5 lbs on a trigger gauge) and a solid reset, I'll take that all day long for a factory trigger! Yet somehow you can guarantee me that the new trigger sucks...hmm...okay guy...this isn't a custom 1911. Hell even the die hard Glock guys who didn't like the original Shield are loving the Shield Plus. The trigger has always been a sour spot on the Shield, lame rest on 1.0, better reset on 2.0 but still the hinge trigger design which the majority if people did not like (I don't mind it and actually prefer the Shield hinged trigger to the regular M&P hinged triggers). So it's obvious the trigger is a controversial topic, and if the trigger sucked, we'd certainly be hearing that.Guaranteed the trigger still sucks!
What planet are you living on? The 2.0 stipple job is hands down one of the best grip textures on the market of any factory gun. It is very widely praised by many of the top shooters in the scene. It is vastly superior to the 1.0 grip texture as so many users have proclaimed. The 2.0 texture was a welcome change from the 1.0, people love it. It really is one of the best factory stipple jobs on the market and that is a common opinion.The half ass stipple job they do on the 2.0 is going to be "less aggressive".
So that's strike two of your argument.
The Shield WAS a $300 gun. Again what planet are you living on? Or what year are you stuck in? You can't find a 2.0 Shield with no thumb safety even close to that price. You'd be lucky to find a regular 2.0 Shield no safety for under $500 after tax/shipping/FFL fee. Here I'll even do the work for you: 022188872187 - Smith & Wesson M&P Shield M2.0 9MM 11808The gun is YEARS late, and street price is $549, so I guess that's strike 3.
Sigs are always expensive I/we/you can't control that, the Shield is a $300 gun, that's it so charging Sig prices won't help them compete.
Again I think the stipple job on the 2.0 is great. Personally I love the aggressive texture and carry it against my skin all day long for years and never had an issue. The vast majority of people love the 2.0 stippling over the 1.0 so I think you're in the minority here. I mean literally dozens of the biggest shooters in the industry have repeatedly said that the M&P 2.0 stipple job one of their favorites out of all manufacturers. You may not like it but again you're in the minority here.You have to finish the stipple job on the 2.0 or on the new one redo the stipple job, fix the action, so no way its worth a nickle more than $300.00.