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I went to handle for the fisrt time a M&P at my local Gander Store. When I asked the salesmen behind the counter for the M&P he frowned. I asked what he did not like about the pistol and he said the following. Holding the pistol in your right hand with your finger on the trigger, and your pointer finger from your left hand lightly on the slide release and pull the trigger very slowly. You can feel the moving trigger parts rubbing against the slide release as the trigger is pulled. He felt it was a flaw in the design. I am looking for feedback from those in the know since I really was impressed with the pistol.
 

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BS. I have over 10k through my 40 with no problems. If there is ever a problem Smith stands behind the product 100%
 

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Yeah, they are hinged on the same pin.



So what, you can feel a little movement (wouldn't even call it movement you can just feel it) This has absolutely nothing to do with anything that pertains to the actual function, reliability, accuracy, or over feel of the gun. Really has nothing to do with anything at all.



Sounds like a "Smith Hater" behind the counter pure and simple.



"flaw in the design" :roll: It is guys like this that just burn my a$$ some days, I guess today is one of those days. Sorry for the rant and the negative tone of this post it was not intended towards you.



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Do you plan on doing that when you shoot the gun? If not then don't worry about it. I'd have to go over and look at my Glock but I believe it is set up the same way.
 

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Don't ever buy, or not buy, a gun based on what a doofus at the gun store says.



If I had taken their dubious advice, I would have declined to buy some of the better guns ever made.
 

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Hollowpoint: The GM wouldn't happen to be in SW Lower Michigan, would it?



I bought an M&P9 a couple of weeks ago after several months of looking at various makes. My opinion of 9mm wasn't very high based on the Beretta' my rich uncle decided his nephew's in green suits ought to use. It wasn't as good new as the beat up, older than dirt, mistreated like a red headed stepchild 1911 assigned to me. The M&P felt better than the XD and Glocks I looked at. My only experience with S&W 9mm was a few rounds with a Sigma and a few rounds with a 5906(?). The only use I could see for those was to get enough to make up a good boat anchor weight. The High Point C9 felt better and shot better than either of those.



I haven't seen any mechanical problems in the few hundred rounds I've fired from my M&P9. I like the way it feels when I shoot it. The adjustable grips are a plus. I put ammo in it, rack the slide, point it down range and pull the trigger and it goes bang without fail. As long as I don't use the Fioochi ammo I bought with it, it seems to shoot very consistently.



I do have a few negative impressions of the pistol I bought. Although I am by no means an expert marksman, the M&P has taken more rounds at shorter ranges to get POI where I want them than other 9mm's I've shot. I think it may have uncovered a flaw in my shooting. Also, the M&P is probably going back to S&W. The pistol seems to shoot low and left. The front sight is not centered. No idea whether this was intentional at the factory or not. My impression is that my $175 22A-1 was better out of the box than the M&P. However, the gun is nice enough that I'm going to spend more time and ammo to convince myself that it is the shooter and not the pistol before it goes back to S&W, a smith, or I start whaling on the sights with a hammer and drift.
 

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Yes, it was in Novi. Thanks for the write up I have Sigs and was looking for something other than a Glock or XD. Maybe I will give it some more time before making the purchase to see if any other issues arise with the M&P.
 

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Hollowpointt: They guy I was thinking about is a couple of hours west of Novi. I'm not sure he has fired one, but I probably will fix that over Christmas.



My last outing with the M&P9 was about 90% of the rounds in a 2.5" group about 1" from the target center at 7 o'clock. (All with Walmart WWB). Distance 10-12 yards. At 15 yards, the group went to 3+ inches. We didn't seem to like Fioochi 123gr. There was more scatter. When I shoot that up, it will go on my list of "don't buy." I've always shot reasonably consistently with the M&P. I just haven't figured out what I need to do to start centering around the X.



I'm not disappointed in the M&P. It feels good and shoots very reliably. I'm just in the mode of trying to figure out how much of POI is shooter and how much is pistol.
 

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Hey!!!! Don't knock the Idiots who don't know what the hell they are talking about. I paid $650.00 for an H&K91 about 3 days ago because the old man bought it back in 1981, shot 15-20 rounds through it and said that after looking at the way the brass came out of it he was worried that it would jam up on him at a critical moment so he cleaned and oiled it and put it in his safe where it has sat for 26 years and is in pristine condition.







I love the ignorant ones.
 

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Lets look at this logicly.



pull the trigger through it's range of motion. Pull it's trigger with the slide catch depresses. Does it feel different?



NO?



then all you are feeling is vibration transfered through contacting points. Surly a sign of horrible manufacture. I guess being able to feel the hammer be cocked through the frame of my 1911 means it's a flwed design as well. Or the cylinder rotate in any revolver ever..



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raz-o

Hope my post did not upset you to much, I just thought it was interesting. I was just relaying one mans opinion. Make for interesting talk does it not.
 
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