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Just curious, I haven't been on this board long but from the different post I have read there seems to be at least 2 different variations of the M&P .40 mine is a full size .40 and have the words "CAUTION: CAPABLE OF FIRING WITH MAGAZINE REMOVED" and what would be the purpose of having a pistol that doesn't fire with the magazine removed :?:
 

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Pistols not capable of firing with the magazine removed, were an early idea for law enforcement safety; the idea being that an officer could render the firearm useless by pressing the magazine release should he (or she) be in danger of losing control of it in a physical confrontation.



From what I've heard, several law enforcement agencies refuse to purchase firearms with that feature, and others refust to purchase ones without. For non-law enforcement is serves more of a nuisance than a safety feature. Firearms should be unloaded when not being ready for use, instead of relying on a defeatable mechanical device.
 

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Fallschirmjäger said:
Pistols not capable of firing with the magazine removed, were an early idea for law enforcement safety; the idea being that an officer could render the firearm useless by pressing the magazine release should he (or she) be in danger of losing control of it in a physical confrontation.
I've read in some magazines that exact situation has happened a few times, it's one of those things that can go either way, it can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on the exact situation.
 

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That feature is in place so they can sell them in Massachusetts.Gun laws in Mass state a new pistol must have a magazine release safety and a 10 LB trigger. I like the magazine safety, I hate the 10LB trigger.
 

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It is my understanding that for a new handgun to be Massachusetts compliant it must have a "Loaded Round Indicator or Magazine Disconnect". The M&P has both, with the magazine disconnect being an option both versions are currently being sold here.
 

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my .40

I purchased my M & P .40 beck in October I dont know when they came out but from my guess very early into the promo but I am glad there needs to be a magazine to fire with a little one around it just makes it easier to keep her safe
 

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That feature is in place so they can sell them in Massachusetts.Gun laws in Mass state a new pistol must have a magazine release safety and a 10 LB trigger. I like the magazine safety, I hate the 10LB trigger.


That is technically incorrect, but partially correct: Meaning. The feature is NOT in place so they can be sold in Massachusetts. In this State, MA after 1998 our new handguns must be sold with a 10lb trigger and ONE of the following: "Magazine disconnect, OR chamber loaded indicator."



I live in MA, and am the proud owner of a new M&P 40 with NO magazine disconnect. The gun was sold to me with the 10lb trigger and the "chamber loaded" indicator, making it "MA Compliant"



I have since swapped out the 10lb trigger with the regualr 6lb. Perfectly legal since our guns only have to be SOLD with those conditions.
 

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FWIW,

The magazine safety is required on all new pistols sold in California, along with magazine capacity limited to ten rounds.


Law enforcement is exempt from these rules.
 

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Re: my .40

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I purchased my M & P .40 beck in October I dont know when they came out but from my guess very early into the promo but I am glad there needs to be a magazine to fire with a little one around it just makes it easier to keep her safe


Since we went to M&P's I instruct all my officers with weapon retention tactics and I also show them that dropping the mag may or may not render the firearm disabled. If you drop the mag with no slack on the trigger you should be safe ( I hate to say that) If you are dropping the magazine and the trigger slack is taken up, once that mag falls the pistol will go bang if a round is in the chamber, since the sear has been partially engaged. It's a catch 22 with mag disconnects, we opted for mag disconnects but I show that they are not 100% safe and they can be manipulated.
 

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My department issued M&P40 has the mag disconnect. Of my personal M&Ps, of which there are several, only my M&P9c has the disconnect, and that is just because I couldn't find one with night sights and without the disconnect.



I use my M&P9 full-size for IDPA, where the disconnect is really a hassle. I use my personal M&P40 as a duty weapon for my part-time LE job, and I perfer not to have the disconnect. I carry the 9c off-duty, and I have been thinking about removing the disconnect from it.
 

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sf3pox1 said:
[quote name='Nutshell']That feature is in place so they can sell them in Massachusetts.Gun laws in Mass state a new pistol must have a magazine release safety and a 10 LB trigger. I like the magazine safety, I hate the 10LB trigger.


That is technically incorrect, but partially correct: Meaning. The feature is NOT in place so they can be sold in Massachusetts. In this State, MA after 1998 our new handguns must be sold with a 10lb trigger and ONE of the following: "Magazine disconnect, OR chamber loaded indicator."



I live in MA, and am the proud owner of a new M&P 40 with NO magazine disconnect. The gun was sold to me with the 10lb trigger and the "chamber loaded" indicator, making it "MA Compliant"



I have since swapped out the 10lb trigger with the regualr 6lb. Perfectly legal since our guns only have to be SOLD with those conditions.
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I thought they all had the 6.5 lb trigger pull.
 

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I went right to S&W to purchase my full size M&P 40 and it has the 10 LB trigger and mag saftey. I wasn't aware you could choose beetween a chamber indicator or the mag saftey. I also asked if they could change the trigger to the 6.5LB trigger and they told me no. I have yet to find someone I trust to work on this trigger.
 

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I went right to S&W to purchase my full size M&P 40 and it has the 10 LB trigger and mag saftey. I wasn't aware you could choose beetween a chamber indicator or the mag saftey. I also asked if they could change the trigger to the 6.5LB trigger and they told me no. I have yet to find someone I trust to work on this trigger.
 

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Nutshell said:
I went right to S&W to purchase my full size M&P 40 and it has the 10 LB trigger and mag saftey. I wasn't aware you could choose beetween a chamber indicator or the mag saftey. I also asked if they could change the trigger to the 6.5LB trigger and they told me no. I have yet to find someone I trust to work on this trigger.


I'm quite sure that some folks at S&W don't even understand what is really required for us poor souls that live in MA. Wrt not working on the trigger- I talked to someone at S&W CS that said there isn't anyway to work on these triggers. :roll:
 
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